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I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM
There are obviously some points in your new post here that I'm not going to get into as they aren't any of my business, but I think your anger in your previous post and in this one about Jake's "holding hands" comment is based on a misreading or at least misinterpretation of that post.

I would even go so far as to say it's absurd for you to feel that the "holding hands" comment was a jab at you or in any way insulting to you. Sure, the comment came in reply to Tom who was replying to you, but it seems to me that in context it was rather clear that the comment was supposed to mean "go ahead and start discussion yourself, instead of waiting for me". Not "you're incompetent and need me to hold your hand", as you seem to have interpreted it. One would think you were confident enough about the qualitative superiority of your comments compared to most other comments on this board to not read Jake's comments as if he's questioning the quality of your posts or analysis.

Edit: Also, read Tash's reply. As usual, she's wise.
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2185 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 802 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1460 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 751 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1449 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1386 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1595 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1327 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1176 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1740 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1452 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1572 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1387 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1630 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1296 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1309 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1292 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1244 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1510 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1514 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1423 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1384 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 740 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 737 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1375 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1458 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1632 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1630 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1857 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1508 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1392 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1214 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1355 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1361 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1399 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1250 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1208 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1262 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1209 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1267 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1230 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1417 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1417 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1251 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1364 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1282 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1352 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1338 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1234 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1189 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1175 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1206 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1296 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1298 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 1158 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1288 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1332 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 690 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1207 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1320 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1200 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 1150 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1368 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1228 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1457 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1285 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1314 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1420 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1372 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1410 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1236 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1281 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1652 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1435 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1600 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1457 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1392 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1273 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1347 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1299 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1236 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1378 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1261 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1234 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1571 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1228 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1260 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1360 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1379 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1373 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1339 Views
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Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1512 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1402 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1213 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1381 Views
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Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1212 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 584 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1290 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1218 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1380 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1292 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1322 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1244 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1507 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1380 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1417 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1250 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1382 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1390 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1184 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1371 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1354 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1206 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1374 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1316 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1444 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1248 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1379 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1290 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1317 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1222 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 582 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1320 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1209 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1255 Views

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