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Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Camilla Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 11:47:16 AM
Is this the first chapter since the opening one that is not focalised through Harry? I cannot remember that happening in any of the earlier books, but I know this technique shows up in the opening of book 6 as well (at least). Still, it is unusual for Rowling and a little unsettling because it breaks the pattern.

Well, if you look at all seven the books, there's four that start with the focus on someone else: PS with the focus, well, on baby Harry I suppose, but you get the point; GoF with this; HBP with the Muggle PM plus the next chapter on Snape; and then DH with a scene of Death Eaters. So there isn't much of a pattern to it, really.


True. It is odd. Since the pattern, focusing through Harry, is so ingrained in the series, and in the whole structure of the series: we know what Harry knows, which is why we are so often wrong in our assumptions (well, I am, anyway). Deviating from that pattern is a strange choice to make.

It raises a lot of questions: what is the plan that cannot proceed until the World Cup is over? Kidnapping Harry is after all not going to happen for almost a whole year.

Who is Wormtail going to curse? I am genuinely perplexed by this, despite having read the book I don't know how many times. Is it Crouch's house-elf? I thought maybe Barty Jr did that himself.

Barty Crouch Senior. The events at the World Cup are unforeseen by Voldemort, but in the end Winky ends up back in control of Barty Jr., and he's returned to his house, so the plan can go ahead (I was first going to say the plan as described here doesn't happen because of the World Cup thing, but that's not true, I just realized). The plan to show up at Barty Jr.'s house and liberate him, though, is what's being discussed here. So that one curse would have to be the Imperius on Barty Sr.


Ah, yes. Again, this isn't really terribly strong plotting. A sequence is planned, then disturbed, then returned to status quo so that the plan can go ahead. It is a little disappointing after the strong plotting of the third book. This whole book feels rather more unfocused (as I remember it) than the third. It is more a series of plot cupons than a coherent plot -- even though there is a plot in the background of course.

I like how Berta's memory charm is slipped by almost unnoticed (I certainly have a tendency to forget it before it comes up again).

Yeah, but then we don't get the remotest hint of what it was that Berta knew that was so interesting.

I'm just thinking, there's actually two things he gets from Berta. The Tri-Wizard Tournament she can give him consciously, then he has to break the memory charm to get to the Crouch thing. It's only the combination of the two that allows the whole kidnapping plan to be set up.


Yes, I think we are told towards the end of the book that the memory charm was to cover Crouch (but it could be my mind playing tricks).

And the reference to "my faithful servant at Hogwarts" is of course meant to throw us at Snape again.

Yeah, I think it's intentionally misleading - makes us think that he's talking about a faithful servant who's at Hogwarts as he speaks, when in fact he means his faithful servant will go to Hogwarts. Of course, if Rowling had made that clearer, it would've been too easy.


Indeed.

What I like, thinking about it, is that this "faithful servant" is someone he has quite possibly never actually met, someone he didn't care at all about before his fall (since Barty Crouch Jr.'s main Death Eater deed dates from after Voldemort's fall), but now suddenly he's so moved that this guy he barely knows has actually remained loyal to him during all that time. And Peter is ticked off not only because he's taking second place to this guy, but because he's taking second place to someone Voldemort didn't even know about until shortly before. And because Voldemort automatically assumes - without having any real knowledge to base that assumption on - that this other guy will be more competent and more reliable than Peter is.


Well, it is not too large a leap of faith ;)
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:38:14 AM 2824 Views
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Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 2758 Views
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Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 2641 Views
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Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 2708 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 2832 Views
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 2712 Views
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You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2891 Views
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 2559 Views
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Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 2646 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 2700 Views
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 2712 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 2651 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 2615 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 2709 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 2767 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 2647 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 2661 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 2797 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 2703 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2925 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 2772 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 1456 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 2712 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 2728 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 2809 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 2695 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 2708 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 2766 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 2659 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 2774 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 1390 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 1485 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 2735 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 2708 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 2685 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 2776 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 1452 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 2688 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2929 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 2743 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 2679 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 2745 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 2688 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 1459 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 2592 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 2708 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 2671 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 1478 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 2628 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 2601 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 2668 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 2706 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 2767 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 1462 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 2660 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 2763 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 2686 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 2772 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 2707 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 2689 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 2810 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 2781 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 1442 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 2856 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 2558 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2975 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 1428 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 1426 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 2752 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 2692 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 3032 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 1438 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 2705 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 3131 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2922 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 2689 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 2819 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 1453 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 2820 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2985 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 2681 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 2660 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 2773 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 2844 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 2712 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 2861 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 2838 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 2684 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 2766 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 2739 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 1442 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2966 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2929 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 2771 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 2823 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 2757 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 2727 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 2707 Views
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