Re: There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 01:45:58 PM
It brought to mind what Legolas said about Rowling's lack of attention to the rest of the magical world. I couldn't help feeling that there was an echo of all those other wizards dawning on Rowling, too.
Yeah. A few amusing touches, though, what with the Salem mention. And Harry is evidently not bad at recognizing flags, knowing a Bulgarian flag when he sees one...
True.
Also, the "are there other schools" debate is resolved, as we are told that there is at least one in Brazil, and therefore presumably more. We still don't know about Europe, though.
They run into a few Beauxbatons (nice name, incidentally, although iirc the French translate "wand" as "baguette", which is even funnier) students in chapter nine. I have a feeling Durmstrang will get a throwaway mention too, but I may be wrong on that.
Yes, I like the names of the schools (and the fact that Hermione recognises them). I cannot help but wonder whether Madamme had absconded because she was worried about the reaction of the Death Eaters if they saw her (as she is clearly half-giant), or if I am reading too much into it.
It is also interesting that carpets, but not brooms are defined as muggle objects which cannot be enchanted.
That conversation was brilliant, and a major exception in Rowling's failure to do international stuff well. Nice touch. Though it does make one wonder how Pakistani and other immigrants function in wizarding Britain... we have the Indian Patil twins, but never in detail, unfortunately. If there's a ban on them importing their traditional flying carpets, that's not a good sign about how much they can maintain their culture and traditions.
Indeed.
I am rather disturbed that Rowling writes that the crowd around the death eaters swell. It sounds like there are others, not just the hardcore death eaters, who are happy to use this as entertainment. Although that sounds weird. I cannot imagine people doing that unmasked.
Yeah. And seeing the Death Eaters described as a "large group of people" was a bit odd as well, considering how few there end up being at the end of the book. Then again, if we're to judge by the Malfoys, the Death Eaters are a sexist reactionary lot, and while wives may participate in the fun Muggle-bullying, they evidently don't get the Death Mark or participate in the gatherings.
Were the death eaters the large group? I understood it to be a small core of death eaters who were then joined by others (who were not masked, but just joined in). I hadn't thought of their sexism, but it is quite striking now you mention it. It raises the question of where Narcissa is when Draco is alone in the wood.
Also: It struck me that "Death Eaters" is a very strange name for a group. I remember reacting to it the first time I read it, but I have since become so used to it it is not weird anymore. But really, not the best group name. It sounds like someone has thought "ok, what's scary? Death! Ok! What is more scary than death? Someone EATING Death!"
In the same vein, the spell Morsmordre for the Dark Sign is clearly inspired by the same thing, but equally odd. Biting in Death? What? Or is that spell different in English (some are changed, most aren't)?
It is the same in English. Hmmm. The spell brings to mind a possible explanation. The death's head that shows up is after all eating the snake, or the snake is coming out of it. That may have inspired the name, I suppose. Are they named from the spell, do you think?
I also like how the Death Eaters' behaviour echo that of the Twins. On a much larger scale, of course, and without any redeeming motivation, but still. Harry's thought that he feels vulnerable without a wand in the wizarding world also joins in with this point, which seems to be a major one in the beginning of this book.
Good point. Also relevant in this vein is Diggory's mentioning of a law banning all non-humans from having or using wands - a house elf doesn't need it, having magic of its own, but centaurs, kobolds and others might resent that quite a bit. The house elves thing is the beginning (except perhaps for the centaur conversation in the very first book) of the theme of the oppression of the non-human and semi-human races that will become fairly big later on.
Indeed. The casual racism (artism?) is more interesting to me than the houselves.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow.
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
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Good plotting in this section
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
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Lasso comment?
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
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Merpeople and the second task.
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And something else I never understood about the second task
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That's a good point, yeah...
- 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Marauder's Map.
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Other comments. *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM
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Two completely unrelated things.
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
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Stuff happens.
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Riddle Family.
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
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Revelations and then some
- 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
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Two questions and one other thing.
- 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
- 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
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