Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 01:46:09 PM
It struck me this time when reading that chapter that when Trelawney makes her guess about Harry being born in the winter, and he says "July, actually", that it's really quite disturbing how Trelawney doesn't have the slightest idea about her prophecy. And hence about the crucial role she has played in Voldemort going after the Potters', and in his downfall. It's a brilliant variation on Cassandra: rather than a Seer knowing her own value but doomed to never be believed by anyone, we have a Seer who is frustrated that she doesn't have the gift, when in fact she does have it but nobody wants to tell her that.
It also sounds like the astrology classes, as useless as they are in predicting the future, might be serious classes in terms of having students practice mathematics and astronomy. Hermione might have had more interest in that part; for Harry and Ron it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
Rita Skeeter's article: shouldn't she at least try to make sense? She bashes Arthur Weasley for "involving the Ministry" in that incident, but what exactly does she suppose would have happened if the Ministry had pulled its hands off of the matter? Covering up magical accidents involving Muggle witnesses is an important task of the Ministry, surely. It seems a bit odd, that article.
Malfoy: Touchy about his mother, evidently. Very close with her, one might suppose, what with being an only child.
Snape's nasty temper: Might have to do with the ending of book three, too.
Since Camilla dislikes moments from outside Harry's PoV: ending of chapter 14 has another one of those, which probably wasn't entirely needed.
The Imperius-class: only intended to see how Harry would react to it, surely?
Hermione's comments on the Hogwarts history book: she's depicted as exaggerating, but like Percy earlier with the vampire thing, she actually has a point. It *is* a significant oversight, and one that might be explained by a not very pretty way of viewing the house-elves issue.
It also sounds like the astrology classes, as useless as they are in predicting the future, might be serious classes in terms of having students practice mathematics and astronomy. Hermione might have had more interest in that part; for Harry and Ron it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
Rita Skeeter's article: shouldn't she at least try to make sense? She bashes Arthur Weasley for "involving the Ministry" in that incident, but what exactly does she suppose would have happened if the Ministry had pulled its hands off of the matter? Covering up magical accidents involving Muggle witnesses is an important task of the Ministry, surely. It seems a bit odd, that article.
Malfoy: Touchy about his mother, evidently. Very close with her, one might suppose, what with being an only child.
Snape's nasty temper: Might have to do with the ending of book three, too.
Since Camilla dislikes moments from outside Harry's PoV: ending of chapter 14 has another one of those, which probably wasn't entirely needed.
The Imperius-class: only intended to see how Harry would react to it, surely?
Hermione's comments on the Hogwarts history book: she's depicted as exaggerating, but like Percy earlier with the vampire thing, she actually has a point. It *is* a significant oversight, and one that might be explained by a not very pretty way of viewing the house-elves issue.
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Any other comments/observations
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow.
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
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Good plotting in this section
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
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Lasso comment?
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
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Merpeople and the second task.
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And something else I never understood about the second task
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That's a good point, yeah...
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Marauder's Map.
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Other comments. *NM*
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Two completely unrelated things.
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
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Stuff happens.
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Riddle Family.
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
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Revelations and then some
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Two questions and one other thing.
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
- 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
- 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
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