Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 02:04:07 PM
And Trelawny is right in her predictions again, of course: difficult times are ahead. And I suppose the thing that Harry fears most is Voldemort's return? Of course it could also be that Sirius is taken from him, which is also too close at hand for comfort.
I'm not sure they're intended to be too accurate here, but yeah, not much of a stretch to say they are.
Intended by Trelawny? Certainly not. Intended by Rowling, who knows. It has been a pattern before.
I also like how Moody's "I knew your father" to Malfoy and "Another old friend" concerning Snape are perfectly truthful. For all the wrong reasons. He is the reverse Sirius, really. I suppose that continues the age old theme of "things are not what they seem".
Yep. What I'm wondering is where Crouch Junior got his extensive knowledge of Moody from. Voldemort himself? His own limited experience back in the day? Torturing Moody for information?
I don't know. But so far I have found that many of his comments work both as Crouch and as Moody, so to a certain extent it may not be so much studied as speaking from the heart (with caution).
Moody's setting Neville up to help Harry in the underwater challenge is a well masked plot point. It is perfectly masked as compassion, and it is introduced before Harry is even chosen, and so we are not yet looking for anything out of the ordinary. Not that it would even be out of the ordinary if we were looking for it.
Yeah, it's clever. Again wondering where he got his information, though. I don't have the impression the teachers are told such details in advance... did Bertha Jorkins already know all the challenges?
Ah. Maybe? Surely they will have been planning it a long time.
I had fun trying to figure out the made up prophecies that Ron and Harry throw together for the moon chart. If they follow the trend from the last book, these will also come true. But I cannot figure out what treasured possession Harry loses.
I doubt it.
But it would be so cool.
The twins/Bagman enigma is still running, with two letter-writing/covert discussion moments. I am not carried away. And we get the setting up AND resolution of the "what is Hermione doing in the library" enigma in two chapters. Not a terribly great revelation, but I don't suppose that was the point.
Yeah, in hindsight it's not really that mysterious. Nor is what Hermione's been up to, really. Just keeping us on our toes and giving us enough enigmas to wonder about that we don't know which the important ones are that need focusing on.
I remember being confused by the Fred and George plotline the first time I read it. As I recall I was still confused by it once I had finished the book. I couldn't see the point of it. That may still be colouring my take on it now, I suppose.
But why is Hagrid away? Is it really just he blast-ended skrewts? I cannot remember.
I think it's just a matter of keeping the first meeting of Hagrid and Olympe off-screen.
That is a little disappointing. Especially since it is emphasised in that way.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Chapters 1-3: A different beginning
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
- 16/08/2010 09:33:34 AM
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Characters - a few new ones
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- 17/08/2010 12:24:41 PM
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Re: Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow.
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- 17/08/2010 12:51:50 PM
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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Re: Plotting - anything of note?
- 17/08/2010 11:10:22 AM
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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Any other comments/observations.
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Plotting
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Other stuff.
- 18/08/2010 12:45:13 AM
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Re: Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody.
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
- 19/08/2010 11:23:48 AM
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Chapters 13-15: First lessons, and the arrival of the foreign guests *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Neville, Moody, first impressions of Karkarov and Maxime *NM*
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Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
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Re: Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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- 20/08/2010 02:04:07 PM
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Anything else to add? *NM*
- 20/08/2010 11:52:05 AM
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
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Characters: The Champions, Hagrid, Karkarov, and of course Rita Skeeter in person *NM*
- 21/08/2010 01:10:53 PM
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Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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- 21/08/2010 05:41:44 PM
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
- 21/08/2010 01:12:24 PM
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
- 21/08/2010 01:39:10 PM
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
- 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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- 21/08/2010 05:08:40 PM
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
- 21/08/2010 05:12:54 PM
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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- 21/08/2010 05:39:06 PM
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
- 27/08/2010 11:30:38 PM
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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- 27/08/2010 11:48:19 PM
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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- 23/08/2010 11:44:08 AM
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
- 23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM
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Good plotting in this section
- 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
- 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,...
- 24/08/2010 11:09:33 AM
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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- 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM
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- 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
- 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
- 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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- 24/08/2010 04:15:15 PM
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
- 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM
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Lasso comment?
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
- 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
- 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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- 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM
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Holy crap.
- 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
- 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
- 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
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- 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM
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Merpeople and the second task.
- 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM
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And something else I never understood about the second task
- 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM
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That's a good point, yeah...
- 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
- 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
- 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM
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- 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM
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- 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM
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Marauder's Map.
- 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM
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Other comments. *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM
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Two completely unrelated things.
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- 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM*
- 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM
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Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
- 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
- 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM
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Stuff happens.
- 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM
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Riddle Family.
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM
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Revelations and then some
- 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM
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Two questions and one other thing.
- 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
- 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
- 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
- 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
- 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
- 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM
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