Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
Legolas Send a noteboard - 21/08/2010 04:24:02 PM
Karkaroff: If the last bunch of chapters did not convince us, he is now properly pegged as a bad guy. Not only by treating Krum differently from his other students (in stark contrast with anything Dumbledore might do), but also his fear of Moody (and Moody's look of intense dislike). He is the main candidate for evil guy, I'd say, in Rowling's flock of potential baddies in this book.
Definitely. And of course he sort of is evil, a lot like Snape except without the courage.
Moody: his look of intense dislike, of course, has a very different reason than what the first-time reader will attribute to him. I like this consonance of Moody and Crouch Jr. If all we had got from him had been acting a part, the ending would not have been as satisfying.
Yeah. What's also amazing is how he explains his own whole plot - to make himself less suspicious, one supposes, but still, such a risk!
Fleur: arrogant. I smell a British idea of the French: unhappy with the weather and refusing to eat their cooking. And we get the explanation of the Veela grandmother. But I cannot help but feel Fleur is a bit of a cypher. She is pretty and arrogant, and that is it. I don't see her as being fleshed out until a little bit right at the end of book 6.
Well, there's the thing with her little sister. But yes.
Krum: he isn't all that interesting, either. His lack of interest in fame is shown during the photography session, and I suppose that is both a plot (regarding Hermione) and a character point. He is clearly good at Quidditch because it interests him, not because he wants to be famous. It must be very annoying for him to suddenly be surrounded by all these people who want his autograph and stand on chairs to look at him. In that way he is a reflection of Harry, I suppose. But still. He seems to have no personality.
Interesting what a contrast that is with his appearance in book seven and the "What is the point of being an international Quidditch player if all the good-looking girls are taken?" comment. But not much of a personality yet, no, like Fleur.
I liked the discussion that Harry's entry into the Champions' room provoked in that it highlighted the characters of the participants. Dumbledore is level-headed and employs common sense (as well as literally seeing to the truth of things), MacGonnagall has unflinching faith in Dumbledore, Snape will use any excuse to attack Harry, Crouch is rule-oriented (not to mention a little out of it), Bagman is oblivious to the problematic side and shows that he has no sense of fair play. Karkaroff and Madamme Maxime rant and rave.
And "Moody" is paranoid and sets out his own plan. Yeah, true, it's a good discussion.
Ron: he really is astonishingly unreasonable. I don't think it is controversial to say that I think the fractures in the trio later on is as much down to Ron's deep seated issues as Harry's.
I don't know, it makes sense, and Harry's never been too tactful. But they both have issues, yeah.
Hermione: thank goodness she is sensible. She has insight. I like it. She is coming into her own more and more in this book. She is not just smart anymore. She is getting wise.
Definitely. Moving from purely book-smart to all-round smart. Getting exasperated with the boys, though - where is that awesome teaspoon comment again?
Snape: his comment to Hermione when he teeth are growing is one of those I find it hardest to forgive him. I don't understand why he would treat Hermione like that, though. She should appeal to him. Yes, she is Harry's friend, but she is smart and good at potions. Yes, she is muggle-born, but so was Lily.
I think it's because she tries too hard, maybe... or just because he picks on so many people. And reminding him of Lily might not actually make him treat her better.
Rita: we get to see her in action. I wonder at the importance of sucking the quill -- does it somehow transfer her "voice" to the quill? And to what extent is her writing the result of the spin of an independent magical artefact, and how much her personality.
Seems possible, yeah. The writing is her own personality, I'd think...
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Chapters 1-3: A different beginning
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
- 16/08/2010 09:33:34 AM
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Characters - a few new ones
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow.
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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Any other comments/observations.
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Plotting
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Other stuff.
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Re: Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody.
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Chapters 13-15: First lessons, and the arrival of the foreign guests *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Neville, Moody, first impressions of Karkarov and Maxime *NM*
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Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
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Re: Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
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Re: Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
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Characters: The Champions, Hagrid, Karkarov, and of course Rita Skeeter in person *NM*
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Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
- 21/08/2010 01:39:10 PM
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
- 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
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Good plotting in this section
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,...
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
- 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM
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Lasso comment?
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
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Merpeople and the second task.
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And something else I never understood about the second task
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That's a good point, yeah...
- 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
- 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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- 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM
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Marauder's Map.
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Other comments. *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM
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Two completely unrelated things.
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM*
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Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
- 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
- 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM
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Stuff happens.
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Riddle Family.
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM
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Revelations and then some
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM
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Two questions and one other thing.
- 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
- 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
- 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
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