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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM
The Crouch/Moody enigma is getting very tightly packed. Winky informs us that she is not only doing homework for her master, but also secret stuff. And Harry meets Crouch in the forest. I cannot quite make out what ``You are not his means (is he referring to Karkaroff? Voldemort?), but the rest of the scene is riddled with very strong clues in retrospect. He keeps mentioning his son and wife. And Moody shows up at the scene in very short time with a dubious explanation of Snape telling him.

Voldemort, presumably, yeah... and indeed, even more info to figure things out with. But Sirius' apparently factual mention of Junior being dead makes it very hard to guess everything.
Moreover, the fact that the bad guy was probably only a few feet from Harry (as Sirius, and then Harry point out) and didn't kill him, is a big clue. Hermione's explanation that it wouldn't look like an accident is very thin: the Goblet entry sure doesn't.

Yeah. Surely it should be clear by now than plain killing is not the goal.
We are given the indication that Wormtail has been in charge of Crouch. The dream sequence bugs me a little, however. I suppose it could be argued that Voldemort possesses the bird (or some animal sitting on top of the bird?), but that is not how Harry describes it later on (he says the owl was bringing a letter). Taken together with the first chapter, this indicates that Rowling has not quite worked out how the Voldemort/Harry link works yet.

Indeed, it doesn't really work the same way as on later occasions.
And finally there is the pensive (which will play quite a major part in later books), with not only Karkaroff's testimony (Snape is confirmed as a former death eater, and that part of the enigmas in this book at least is resolved), but also Bagman's (revealing what Rita knew about him, and indicating that he may not be just the cheerful sports guy that he presents himself as -- the trial is shown as being the worst case celebrity trial). I love how Crouch says ``the day Ludo Bagman joins us will be a very sad day for the Ministry''. And of course, the main bit, the trial of Crouch's son where we get the first glimpse of the Lestranges and the explanation for Neville's reaction to the cruciatus curse. And of course the main baddie, who does not seem like one at all.

That's perhaps my main problem with this book. Barty Junior goes into Azkaban as a frightened, panicking boy and comes out a cold-blooded, quick-thinking and highly competent Death Eater - arguably the most competent we see anywhere in the series? Azkaban may make one tougher in a way, as with Sirius, but Barty Junior's transformation is really strange.

Ravenwood will also be relevant again later on, since he works at Mystification.
The Bagman enigma also gets a major hint when we are told Leprechaun gold disappears. At this point is it should actually be possible to work out the twins/bagman plot, I think.

Yeah, it should be fairly obvious really... at least that they didn't get the gold he owed them, and that that's what the "blackmail" is about. It's a bit strange that Ron, for all his "they only think about money now" speech, doesn't comment on how evidently Fred and George don't seem to have the very sizeable sum - in the hundreds of Galleons at the very least, surely - they were supposed to have gotten from Bagman.
The Rita Skeeter plot picks up some steam, with Hermione promising to ``get her back'' and the idea that she might be ``bugging'' them. That is another of Rowling's finer moments. I like her play with words.

I was gonna ask you how it worked in the English version. And yes, we didn't comment on it in the previous section, but Krum's mention of the beetle in Hermione's hair was of course a big clue.
The twins are painted as potentially gone to the bad. I never really bought it, and I think this is one of the reasons I have issues with this book.

Yeah, it's fairly silly. And Ron's not exactly in a position to complain about them thinking so much about money, considering how annoyed he gets about the leprechaun gold thing...
The theme of bigotry shows up again in Fudge's suggestion that Madame Maxime has done away with (eaten?) Crouch. Dumbledore's dismissal of it is quite lovely, but it paints quite a strong image of mainstream wizard ideas when the minister for magic can say something like that (of course, it doesn't help when the minister is a moron).

Yeah, it's really all over when you start looking for it... and Fudge's tendency of looking for easy victims to blame things on so as to keep the press off his back is shown. Or the Ministry in general, really - Scrimgeour will do it too.
Nifflers are introduced. They play some part in the next book. Of course, there is no way of telling whether this is a planned introduction or rather Rowling reaching back to earlier material to build on it. But that is true for most of the bookspanning pre-introductions.

Yeah. It's good that she tries to not use magical dei ex machinis, though, and announces her magical plot devices beforehand.
We also get the first use of the patronus to alert someone when Dumbledore calls for Hagrid.

Do we ever actually find out what patronus Dumbledore has?
A question, however: right at the end, was Dumbledore going to say something else? He only wishes him good luck, but I cannot shake the feeling that the pause is significant.

You may be right, but what? "Oh, by the way, you'll have to be the one to kill him"? Surely it can't be the big thing, but I'm not sure what smaller thing he could have said... though he clearly knows more than Harry about the plot at this point.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:28:48 AM 4515 Views
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Something you just said there.... nossy - 16/08/2010 06:03:53 PM 2240 Views
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Re: Early characters Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:23:59 AM 2350 Views
I like your explaination of why Voldemort calls Peter Wormtail Seriana Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:49:22 PM 2276 Views
Early plotting. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:32:52 AM 2189 Views
That first chapter works very well, I think. Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:20:48 AM 2206 Views
Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:19:10 AM 2287 Views
Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Mossman - 17/08/2010 12:49:42 AM 2300 Views
Re: Early plotting. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:02:09 AM 2291 Views
It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:38:14 AM 2279 Views
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Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 12:16:16 PM 2505 Views
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Re: Early plotting. Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:15:43 AM 2162 Views
No, it does. Legolas - 17/08/2010 01:24:16 AM 2188 Views
Re: No, it does. Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:45:00 AM 2245 Views
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:03:09 AM 2213 Views
Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:17:37 AM 1242 Views
Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 03:27:24 PM 1201 Views
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Amos annoyed me too. Seriana Sedai - 18/08/2010 08:29:56 PM 2178 Views
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:51:50 PM 1189 Views
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:40:45 PM 1138 Views
That must be annoying Camilla - 17/08/2010 12:42:12 PM 2167 Views
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Re: Plotting and writing. Camilla - 19/08/2010 05:23:37 PM 2129 Views
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for. Legolas - 19/08/2010 04:23:16 PM 2278 Views
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So. Sport and numbers. Rebekah - 19/08/2010 06:35:29 PM 2102 Views
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It doesn't matter, no. Legolas - 19/08/2010 11:33:04 PM 2239 Views
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Moody is really well done. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:15:55 PM 2296 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:25:45 PM 2300 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:51:43 AM 1137 Views
Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:04:01 PM 2142 Views
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Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 02:04:07 PM 2390 Views
I just realised Camilla - 20/08/2010 11:51:20 PM 2106 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:52:05 AM 1031 Views
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Re: Yes. Five things, actually. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:27:27 PM 2170 Views
Re: Yes. Five things, actually. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:35:12 PM 2095 Views
Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:46:09 PM 2179 Views
Re: Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:56:53 PM 2351 Views
Oh, and one more thing... Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:57:20 PM 2153 Views
Re: Oh, and one more thing... Camilla - 20/08/2010 02:08:50 PM 2148 Views
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:31:49 PM 2366 Views
Re: Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:41:44 PM 2221 Views
The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM 2107 Views
Re: The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. Camilla - 23/08/2010 09:22:26 PM 2306 Views
Definitely true StormCrow - 23/08/2010 10:02:46 PM 2373 Views
Re: Definitely true Camilla - 24/08/2010 06:20:53 PM 2439 Views
Well, perhaps dues ex machina is a bit too much. StormCrow - 25/08/2010 01:06:27 AM 2392 Views
Re: Well, perhaps dues ex machina is a bit too much. Seriana Sedai - 25/08/2010 06:01:32 AM 2127 Views
Plotting and writing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:24 PM 2468 Views
plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:39:10 PM 2169 Views
Re: plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Legolas - 21/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 2361 Views
Re: plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Camilla - 21/08/2010 04:35:22 PM 2411 Views
Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM 1152 Views
House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:35:38 PM 2463 Views
Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Legolas - 21/08/2010 04:55:10 PM 2305 Views
Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Camilla - 21/08/2010 04:59:55 PM 2422 Views
I don't know what you're talking about. Rebekah - 21/08/2010 05:05:28 PM 2261 Views
Re: I don't know what you're talking about. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:16:18 PM 2296 Views
Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:11:11 AM 2232 Views
I love the bouillabaisse thing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:02:47 PM 2370 Views
Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing. Rebekah - 21/08/2010 05:08:40 PM 2387 Views
I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else... Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:26:17 PM 2215 Views
Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:12:54 PM 2105 Views
No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:24:50 PM 2084 Views
Re: No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:39:06 PM 2433 Views
Hermione really comes into her own in this book. Rebekah - 27/08/2010 11:30:38 PM 2012 Views
Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier... Legolas - 27/08/2010 11:36:20 PM 2175 Views
Re: Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier... Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:48:19 PM 2197 Views
Indeed Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:46:44 PM 2390 Views
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:07:50 AM 2147 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:35:56 AM 2250 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:44:08 AM 2425 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:54:31 AM 2086 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:07:24 PM 2371 Views
Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:19:21 AM 2093 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:56:37 AM 2228 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 01:58:39 PM 2094 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla - 23/08/2010 02:08:53 PM 2118 Views
Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM 1163 Views
Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 2253 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 2235 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 2157 Views
Anything else you want to comment on? *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM 1128 Views
I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM* Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:09:15 AM 1060 Views
Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:58:59 PM 2870 Views
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Ron and Hermione, mainly. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:47:49 AM 2406 Views
Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 2123 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 03:53:20 PM 2113 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 2207 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 2303 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 25/08/2010 12:15:12 AM 2283 Views
Fred and George. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 2228 Views
Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 2329 Views
Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM 1203 Views
Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:48:30 AM 2322 Views
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Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:13:57 PM 2158 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:33:14 PM 2204 Views
Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM 1207 Views
Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:49:16 AM 2275 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:27:51 PM 2179 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:15:15 PM 2245 Views
Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM 2186 Views
Lasso comment? Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM 2191 Views
When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 2180 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 2259 Views
It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 2355 Views
Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 2230 Views
Holy crap. Elaine - 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM 2137 Views
Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM 2257 Views
Don't care, I choose to believe Elaine - 25/08/2010 03:21:37 PM 2115 Views
You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2352 Views
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM 1083 Views
Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 2103 Views
I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:41:43 PM 2346 Views
Re: I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:45:30 PM 2122 Views
Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM 2214 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 2295 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:51:21 AM 2095 Views
Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 2040 Views
Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 2170 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 2106 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 2160 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 1147 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 2201 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 2226 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 2119 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 2177 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 2123 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 2090 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 2169 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 2238 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 2134 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 2124 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 2278 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 2170 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2381 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 2193 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 1136 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 2206 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 2191 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 2315 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 2173 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 2172 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 2266 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 2140 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 2240 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 1078 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 1175 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 2187 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 2187 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 2182 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 2226 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 1143 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 2181 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2412 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 2220 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 2177 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 2198 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 2169 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 1137 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 2065 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 2181 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 2110 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 1173 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 2100 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 2070 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 2132 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 2170 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 2260 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 1145 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 2117 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 2228 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 2156 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 2255 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 2163 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 2130 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 2267 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 2280 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 1129 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 2320 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 1990 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2459 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 1119 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 1142 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 2206 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 2152 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 2479 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 1126 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 2149 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 2580 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2391 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 2131 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 2266 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 1161 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 2278 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2465 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 2162 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 2162 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 2200 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 2291 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 2209 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 2338 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 2315 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 2163 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 2231 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 2192 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 1137 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2481 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2421 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 2250 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 2275 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 2237 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 2154 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 2197 Views
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