Aren't boys supposed to punch each over and then move on? That's what happened at the boys' school my brothers went to. 
I completely agree with Hermione's sentiments on the matter.
The Moody moments are very well done. The clues about Crouch Jr taking his place are there but subtle (the frequent references to his hipflask), but Rowling definitely throws us off course with the way he responds to Harry telling Cedric about the dragons. Nicely done.
I am enjoying this more than I have on previous readings. It's always been my second least-liked book, though. I wonder if that will change over the course of the whole re-read.

I completely agree with Hermione's sentiments on the matter.
The Moody moments are very well done. The clues about Crouch Jr taking his place are there but subtle (the frequent references to his hipflask), but Rowling definitely throws us off course with the way he responds to Harry telling Cedric about the dragons. Nicely done.
I am enjoying this more than I have on previous readings. It's always been my second least-liked book, though. I wonder if that will change over the course of the whole re-read.
*MySmiley*
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Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Chapters 1-3: A different beginning
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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Re: Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
- 16/08/2010 09:33:34 AM
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Characters - a few new ones
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Re: Characters - a few new ones
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Re: Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow.
*NM*
- 17/08/2010 12:51:50 PM
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*NM*
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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Re: Plotting - anything of note?
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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Re: The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
- 17/08/2010 12:40:45 PM
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Any other comments/observations.
- 17/08/2010 08:24:20 AM
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Plotting
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Other stuff.
- 18/08/2010 12:45:13 AM
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Re: Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody.
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
- 19/08/2010 11:23:48 AM
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
- 19/08/2010 04:23:16 PM
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Chapters 13-15: First lessons, and the arrival of the foreign guests *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Neville, Moody, first impressions of Karkarov and Maxime *NM*
- 20/08/2010 11:49:04 AM
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Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
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Re: Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
- 20/08/2010 02:33:04 PM
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Re: Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
- 20/08/2010 02:36:50 PM
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
- 20/08/2010 11:51:43 AM
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
- 20/08/2010 02:04:07 PM
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Anything else to add? *NM*
- 20/08/2010 11:52:05 AM
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
- 20/08/2010 01:05:06 PM
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
- 20/08/2010 01:46:09 PM
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
- 16/08/2010 09:35:31 AM
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Characters: The Champions, Hagrid, Karkarov, and of course Rita Skeeter in person *NM*
- 21/08/2010 01:10:53 PM
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Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
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Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
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Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
- 21/08/2010 04:40:39 PM
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Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
- 21/08/2010 05:06:43 PM
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Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
- 21/08/2010 05:10:53 PM
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
- 21/08/2010 05:31:49 PM
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- 21/08/2010 05:41:44 PM
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
- 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM
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- 23/08/2010 09:22:26 PM
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- 23/08/2010 09:22:26 PM
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Definitely true
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Re: Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
- 21/08/2010 01:12:24 PM
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
- 21/08/2010 01:39:10 PM
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
- 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
- 21/08/2010 01:35:38 PM
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Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
- 21/08/2010 04:59:55 PM
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
- 21/08/2010 05:02:47 PM
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- 21/08/2010 05:08:40 PM
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
- 21/08/2010 05:26:17 PM
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
- 21/08/2010 05:12:54 PM
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Re: No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
- 21/08/2010 05:39:06 PM
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
- 27/08/2010 11:30:38 PM
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Re: Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
- 27/08/2010 11:48:19 PM
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
- 23/08/2010 10:40:21 AM
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
- 23/08/2010 11:44:08 AM
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
- 23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM
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Good plotting in this section
- 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
- 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
- 23/08/2010 11:09:15 AM
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Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying.
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,...
- 24/08/2010 11:09:33 AM
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
- 24/08/2010 11:47:49 AM
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Makes sense.
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Re: Makes sense.
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Re: Makes sense.
- 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM
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- 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
- 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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- 24/08/2010 02:18:04 PM
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
- 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
- 24/08/2010 04:15:15 PM
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
- 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM
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Lasso comment?
- 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
- 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
- 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
- 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
- 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
- 25/08/2010 05:31:18 PM
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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- 25/08/2010 05:45:30 PM
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
- 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
- 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM
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- 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM
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Merpeople and the second task.
- 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM
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And something else I never understood about the second task
- 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM
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That's a good point, yeah...
- 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
- 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
- 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
- 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
- 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM
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- 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
- 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM
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Marauder's Map.
- 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM
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Other comments. *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM
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Two completely unrelated things.
- 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM
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Re: Two completely unrelated things.
- 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM*
- 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM
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Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville
- 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
- 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
- 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM
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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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- 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
- 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM
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Stuff happens.
- 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM
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Riddle Family.
- 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM
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Anything else to add? *NM*
- 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
- 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM
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Revelations and then some
- 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM
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Two questions and one other thing.
- 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
- 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
- 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
- 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
- 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
- 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM
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