Community Messageboard: No by Camilla

It isn't something I can recall really noticing snoopcester - 20/05/2010 04:22:42 PM 320 Views

You don't live in the United States of America.

Tom - 20/05/2010 04:31:23 PM 295 Views

Well yes but me was just feeling smug it doesn't seem as common over here

snoopcester - 20/05/2010 05:12:41 PM 288 Views

Re: You don't live in the United States of America.

Camilla - 20/05/2010 05:35:34 PM 311 Views

I think this is one of those things people do because they think it makes them sound smart. Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 04:33:38 PM 336 Views

When in actuality it exposese their stupidity and ignorance. *NM* Tom - 20/05/2010 04:36:08 PM 161 Views

Like saying "octopi". <Shivers> *NM* Tim - 20/05/2010 11:56:27 PM 263 Views

Octopodes makes them sounds like aliens

LadyLorraine - 21/05/2010 12:25:14 AM 417 Views

THEY ARE VICIOUS CREATURES FROM THE DEEP. CUTTLEFISH HAVE W SHAPED PUPILS. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/05/2010 07:00:41 AM 267 Views

Actually nothing like that Sareitha Sedai - 21/05/2010 04:49:43 PM 268 Views

Yeah, I've never had a problem with that one. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 21/05/2010 09:45:38 PM 271 Views

As a Classicist I'm afraid I can't get past the misguided origins. *NM* Tim - 21/05/2010 10:08:34 PM 256 Views

I don't know how me feels about this. Tigr - 20/05/2010 04:49:03 PM 324 Views

This makes me want cookies. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 04:50:34 PM 261 Views

I was thinking about him when I wrote it. Tigr - 20/05/2010 04:55:04 PM 305 Views

*NM* Avendesora - 20/05/2010 05:55:32 PM 140 Views

you know, considering my state was THE lowest in the country for education... LadyLorraine - 20/05/2010 05:04:42 PM 323 Views

Dude, I could care less *NM* Monkey - 20/05/2010 05:30:37 PM 245 Views

*cough* move along...

ßelals Girl - 20/05/2010 07:16:18 PM 310 Views

That annoys me, too Camilla - 20/05/2010 05:34:30 PM 450 Views

I think you're confusing it with phrase-final prepositions. *NM* Tim - 20/05/2010 11:57:30 PM 261 Views

No Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:00:02 AM 271 Views

Oh right, that two (pro)nouns linked by "and" have to be the same case. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:03:59 AM 509 Views

Re: Oh right, that two (pro)nouns linked by "and" have to be the same case. Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:06:51 AM 518 Views

Er, no... Tim - 21/05/2010 12:19:31 AM 260 Views

Re: Er, no... Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:22:32 AM 285 Views

It doesn't. The reason for that is exactly as Tom says: idiotic teachers. *NM* Tim - 21/05/2010 12:28:12 AM 246 Views

But that is what I said when you contradicted me! *NM* Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:38:11 AM 252 Views

OK, I'm officially lost. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:44:28 AM 311 Views

Re: OK, I'm officially lost. Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:49:59 AM 492 Views

Can you start right from the beginning? Tim - 21/05/2010 12:52:08 AM 283 Views

Re: Can you start right from the beginning? Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:55:34 AM 294 Views

Please let me know when you sort this out. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:26:50 AM 255 Views

Sorted Camilla - 22/05/2010 03:06:53 AM 492 Views

Coffee time is going to be appropriated by grammar discussion? Shall I bring a book?

*NM* Rebekah - 21/05/2010 10:12:48 AM 247 Views

Not entirely. We just need to get a hold of Pratchett's Unseen Academicals on the way. Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:25:57 AM 258 Views

This whole thread is just an elaborate effort to provoke my complaints about terminal prepositions. Joel - 21/05/2010 02:58:05 PM 412 Views

Ah, I think I've found the problem Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:50:59 AM 326 Views

Re: Inspired by Camilla's post: quit saying "between you and I" already ßelals Girl - 20/05/2010 07:28:16 PM 386 Views

Look at Camilla's post directly below. Tom - 20/05/2010 07:49:03 PM 313 Views

Well, the same problem appears in Swedish to some extent. jh - 20/05/2010 07:28:32 PM 524 Views

It doesn't annoy me, but I do fine myself silently correcting it when I hear it. Beqi - 20/05/2010 07:44:49 PM 320 Views

It's the same as "I" vs. "me". "Who" can only be a subject. "Whom" is correct everywhere else. Tom - 20/05/2010 07:47:21 PM 511 Views

That's where I get into trouble. Joel - 21/05/2010 03:01:18 PM 477 Views

Along these lines Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 08:52:33 PM 486 Views

Well, shucks, Tom, we just ain't no good at that there grammer stuff. LiterateDog - 20/05/2010 07:49:18 PM 302 Views

And we're all unique little snowflakes. Tom - 20/05/2010 08:20:03 PM 304 Views

hollah that, brutha. *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/05/2010 08:41:03 PM 247 Views

You mean grammir. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/05/2010 09:41:55 PM 286 Views

Not limited to the US of A. Rebekah - 20/05/2010 08:26:30 PM 480 Views

It's properly the "US and A" - if Borat taught me nothing else, it's that. Tom - 20/05/2010 08:46:18 PM 279 Views

If you're going to start down that path...

Legolas - 20/05/2010 10:12:24 PM 301 Views

Personally Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 11:30:54 PM 248 Views

<Winces at your use of the word "ungrammatical"> *NM* Tim - 21/05/2010 12:09:29 AM 272 Views

I take it the wincing is at the concept, and not at the word itself...

Legolas - 21/05/2010 12:32:43 AM 491 Views

It's the misappropriation of linguistic terminology to an improper use. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:44:54 AM 563 Views

I note you haven't replied to the main thread yet... Legolas - 21/05/2010 01:12:05 AM 398 Views

Re: I note you haven't replied to the main thread yet... Tim - 23/05/2010 01:36:10 PM 476 Views

Fair enough. Legolas - 23/05/2010 01:58:58 PM 266 Views

Well of course that's wrong. It ought to be "The man whom you said that was coming."

*NM* Ghavrel - 21/05/2010 07:03:37 AM 124 Views

OK, I know you're kidding around, but I can't tell if you know it isn't even prescriptively correct. Tim - 21/05/2010 10:38:51 AM 277 Views

<chant> Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:52:17 AM 266 Views

I can't draw you a syntax tree or what have you to prove that it's wrong, no, but I know it is.

Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 02:56:52 AM 255 Views

No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Tim - 22/05/2010 10:04:34 AM 448 Views

Clever clever. Explains why Greek changes the case in its indirect statements so much. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 09:47:26 PM 129 Views

Example please? *NM* Tim - 22/05/2010 10:34:05 PM 260 Views

Yeah, I worded that awkwardly. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:30:49 AM 281 Views

Ah, I see that I misread your subject line. Tim - 23/05/2010 01:17:28 PM 481 Views

Re: No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Camilla - 22/05/2010 11:40:05 PM 376 Views

Re: No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Tim - 23/05/2010 10:30:59 AM 292 Views

Re: No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Camilla - 23/05/2010 10:36:25 AM 387 Views

Why = what for? That's amazing!

*NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 09:22:35 PM 132 Views

Cf pretty much every other European language, no?

Legolas - 23/05/2010 09:32:33 PM 261 Views

Yes, but when you're a native speaker of English it comes as something of a surprise. Tim - 23/05/2010 11:18:45 PM 259 Views

The thing is that you really have to know Old English to figure it out. Ghavrel - 24/05/2010 03:22:10 AM 267 Views

Actually, that would be a direct object Larry - 21/05/2010 01:11:42 AM 271 Views

*blinks* Now I'm confused. Legolas - 21/05/2010 01:21:51 AM 257 Views

I know it's odd, but in terse responses, it seems to be a direct object rather than nominative Larry - 21/05/2010 01:46:10 AM 263 Views

No it isn't...in that case it would be "me", and not "a cookie", that is wanted. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:28:55 AM 275 Views

Well... Larry - 21/05/2010 04:33:27 AM 461 Views

"I want me a cookie" is not proper English. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:38:20 AM 461 Views

I know that Larry - 21/05/2010 05:31:52 AM 386 Views

See, this is an area where your dialect argument would make sense. Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:53:17 AM 378 Views

But that doesn't actually make any sense in Latin.

Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 03:03:28 AM 272 Views

I know it's dative in Latin Larry - 22/05/2010 03:14:48 AM 463 Views

Well, yes. But prepositions are how we decline our pronouns in English.

Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 04:35:42 AM 244 Views

And you would be wrong in that. Tom - 22/05/2010 02:27:16 PM 271 Views

Iċ am not sure what þū said me is relevant these days... Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 09:57:41 PM 248 Views

You still just aren't getting this. Tom - 23/05/2010 12:52:31 AM 258 Views

I accept it. But not in the circumstances when the prepositional phrase "to/for me" is used.

*NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:27:30 AM 127 Views

Technically, most prepositions in English take the dative. Tom - 23/05/2010 02:31:06 AM 9412 Views

Huh. That makes sense. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:32:57 AM 119 Views

You're confusing me almost as much as Larry.

Legolas - 22/05/2010 11:15:43 AM 450 Views

True. But English uses the reflexive in that scenario, not the personal pronoun. Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 10:05:30 PM 288 Views

That was atrocious Latin. Tom - 22/05/2010 02:20:35 PM 481 Views

I was very drunk, and it wasn't that bad even had I been sober. Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 10:04:12 PM 381 Views

Parare means, first and foremost, to prepare, supply or make something available. Tom - 23/05/2010 12:50:22 AM 381 Views

It also means to buy, and it frequently has that meaning when it's with the dative. No dice. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:31:01 AM 513 Views

Now you're pulling things out of your ass (about parare, at least) Tom - 23/05/2010 02:32:58 AM 254 Views

I unfortunately don't have the OLD, and no, I'm not.

Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:41:22 AM 293 Views

So I looked up the word in Lewis & Short. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:49:19 AM 251 Views

Interestingly enough, the Oxford Latin Dictionary doesn't have one use of the dative for "to buy". Tom - 23/05/2010 02:51:54 PM 466 Views

Hm. I guess I have to concede defeat in this, then. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 09:21:29 PM 272 Views

When asked who told him that killing was wrong, Johnny Five said "I told me." TaskmasterJack - 21/05/2010 09:52:15 PM 277 Views

Yes, yes I am. *NM* Tom - 21/05/2010 10:14:16 PM 123 Views

C'est moi. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:34:41 AM 470 Views

One additional thought. everynametaken - 22/05/2010 02:14:15 AM 401 Views

Let me clarify. Legolas - 22/05/2010 11:32:25 AM 274 Views

Please don;t misunderstand what I posted as beng preachy. everynametaken - 23/05/2010 11:12:43 PM 261 Views

in my elementary school grammar classes... damookster - 21/05/2010 04:44:50 AM 311 Views

I'm unaware of any exceptions. It's a very good rule. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/05/2010 07:04:23 AM 119 Views

You clearly had an unusually good teacher. That's exactly what should be taught. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:00:58 PM 270 Views

That is what I was taught... Dominic - 21/05/2010 02:28:40 PM 561 Views

Same. TaskmasterJack - 21/05/2010 09:54:10 PM 286 Views

I was taught the same. *NM* Gena - 24/05/2010 02:24:41 PM 286 Views

Seriously dudes? 70 posts about fricking grammar?! Monkey - 21/05/2010 06:46:58 PM 291 Views

I'm proud of us all. If it were about Akkadian grammar, I'd be even more proud. *NM* Tom - 21/05/2010 06:51:20 PM 231 Views

You could make it about Russian grammar Larry - 21/05/2010 07:05:35 PM 388 Views

I think I would only get slightly more interest than if it were Akkadian grammar. Tom - 21/05/2010 08:13:24 PM 399 Views

True Larry - 21/05/2010 08:45:54 PM 263 Views

Ah, you misunderstood my question. Tom - 21/05/2010 09:10:56 PM 467 Views

I guess I did

Larry - 21/05/2010 09:25:53 PM 529 Views

Those all sound boring. Tom - 21/05/2010 10:03:25 PM 426 Views

Not if they are approached from a cultural vantage point

Larry - 21/05/2010 10:28:02 PM 450 Views

Avendesora - 24/05/2010 02:38:54 PM 393 Views

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