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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester Send a noteboard - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM
It's probably worth noting people are horribly abusing the facts with a lot of citations of 'rights' going on here, however, for the sake of argument, can anyone justify gay marriage without justifying polygamy or incest and without mentioning procreation or two?


Are they horribly abusing facts or is it just that you don't agree with them? Because that would be something else.

polygamy
In theory I have no problem with it. The issues with it have been discussed elsewhere on the board in the last week (I think by Tom) - basically it creates a real mess with existing legislation in a way that same sex marriage doesn't (since it is stil between two people it just slots into the existing tax legislation, for example). It would probably take some rewriting to extend tax breaks across x many people in a marriage... and one hell of a hard sell to the publis to explain why Jane and her 18 husbands deserve to pay so little tax.

incest

Well since you want a key reason not to be mentioned, there is the other one - the fact it is more than possible for someone to be "groomed" from their early years for the relationship. Too much risk of abuse and it not being a healthy, really consent based relationship.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1714 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 1097 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 1121 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 1162 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 1054 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 1187 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 647 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1360 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 1177 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 1122 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 1047 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1202 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 535 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 1134 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 1146 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 1035 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 533 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 1008 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 570 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 1106 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 1063 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 1020 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 487 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 1052 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 1154 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 475 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 996 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1279 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 1198 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1382 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 985 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 1026 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 542 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 1142 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 1085 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 1011 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 1001 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 1109 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 976 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 1102 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 972 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 1151 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 1140 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 1044 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 1045 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 1007 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 1102 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 1121 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 1152 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 963 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 1085 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 961 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 848 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 1129 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 1015 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 1130 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 893 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 1183 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 982 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 1130 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1314 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 1008 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1333 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 943 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 752 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 1181 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 1005 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 996 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 1013 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 1014 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 981 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 911 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 487 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 981 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1376 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 984 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1271 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 1149 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 933 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 516 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 520 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 1177 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 523 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 1112 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 1170 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 866 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1242 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 862 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 557 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 1120 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 978 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 1096 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 1000 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 1130 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 1102 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 1054 Views
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