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Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM
and discussing it as a legal and romantic bond between individuals (i don't mean romantic as in roses and candles, but that sort of love as opposed to familial or friendly love), then there's not that much wrong with incest or polygamy either.

In the end, I believe marriage should be about bringing people who love each other into one whole and complete family, with all the various benefits families tend to have. Of course, an incestuous marriage would be rather redundant in this respect and defeat the purpose. Anyway, if this was merely about titles (wife/husband) and ceremonies, then this wouldn't be an issue at all, so I think that an incestuous marriage is a different situation as your family is already your family.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1730 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 1126 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 1135 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 1177 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 1074 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 1204 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 654 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1388 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 1204 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 1138 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 1059 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1219 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 544 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 1150 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 1161 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 1059 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 541 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 1030 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 580 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 1125 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 1078 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 1030 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 497 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 1069 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 1175 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 483 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 1008 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1300 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 1225 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1398 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 1000 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 1042 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 549 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 1162 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 1109 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 1034 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 1024 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 1136 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 999 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 1126 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 995 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 1172 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 1161 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 1063 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 1066 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 1028 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 1119 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 1139 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 1176 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 981 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 1099 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 987 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 863 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 1150 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 1041 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 1145 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 909 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 1208 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 1001 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 1150 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1335 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 1032 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1348 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 960 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 764 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 1200 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 1020 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 1019 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 1033 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 1033 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 1001 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 932 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 496 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 1011 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1399 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 1013 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1286 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 1166 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 952 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 524 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 530 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 1201 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 533 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 1131 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 1190 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 886 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1263 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 884 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 568 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 1139 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 998 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 1117 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 1017 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 1150 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 1124 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 1076 Views
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