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Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM
and granted, the UN is not the US, but the US falls under the UN, does it not? I've never really understood exactly how that relationship works out, but we're really not supposed to violate the UN declarations of human rights, are we?


Article 16 (UDHR)
1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

So, emphasis mine, clearly comments on age, race, nationality and religion, does not mention sexual preference.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1760 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 1144 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 1154 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 1199 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 1096 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 1224 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 661 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1411 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 1225 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 1162 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 1076 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1240 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 549 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 1173 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 1178 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 1076 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 550 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 1052 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 586 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 1141 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 1094 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 1049 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 506 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 1088 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 1201 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 489 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 1031 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1320 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 1253 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1421 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 1019 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 1064 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 556 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 1181 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 1128 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 1049 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 1045 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 1155 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 1018 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 1142 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 1010 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 1190 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 1182 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 1082 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 1079 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 1050 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 1138 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 1156 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 1193 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 1000 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 1119 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 1006 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 883 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 1167 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 1060 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 1160 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 927 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 1230 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 1023 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 1170 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1356 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 1054 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1368 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 972 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 774 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 1218 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 1036 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 1038 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 1053 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 1052 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 1022 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 953 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 502 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 1034 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1417 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 1030 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1311 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 1185 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 978 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 532 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 538 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 1220 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 540 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 1147 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 1208 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 903 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1303 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 904 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 575 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 1157 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 1027 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 1134 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 1037 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 1172 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 1142 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 1090 Views
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