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not my religion I'm agnostic random thoughts Send a noteboard - 12/08/2010 10:34:40 PM
Because regardless of how your great great grandparents got married or how much milk she shoots out her nose giggling the tradition of church marriage has been around for centuries. Yes there are other old traditions that we have gotten rid but this is a very popular tradition. Millions of girls spend hours planning the perfect church wedding. Millions of dads spend tens of thousands of dollars giving their little princess the perfect church wedding. Now we should make that marriage a fake ceremony to advance the social engineering goals of the far left fringe?

Good luck selling that.


Why does requiring another government process make a religious marriage fake?


It doesn't but we already have that.
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Gay Marriage MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:23:19 AM 2117 Views
I disagree on the latter part snoopcester - 12/08/2010 12:04:15 PM 1448 Views
I follow your point... MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 12:14:17 PM 1430 Views
Suspect you would find plenty of denominations that would argue with you rather strenuously. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 12:24:55 PM 1470 Views
See, that's what I'm saying... MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:37:26 PM 1395 Views
She didn't say that gays ought not be married. Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 07:45:37 PM 1270 Views
You didn't read my post. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:10:21 PM 1326 Views
Actually, you didn't read my post MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 09:23:54 PM 1411 Views
Um, you're wrong. Phelix - 12/08/2010 09:37:13 PM 1350 Views
Re: Um, you're wrong. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 09:44:17 PM 1313 Views
Boy Scouts of America v. Dale. And no, he described it accurately. *NM* Legolas - 12/08/2010 09:53:31 PM 673 Views
You're still wrong. Phelix - 12/08/2010 09:54:55 PM 1450 Views
Re: You're still wrong. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 09:58:26 PM 1301 Views
Again, you are still wrong. Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:04:42 PM 1379 Views
Re: Again, you are still wrong. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:17:13 PM 1197 Views
Wrong definition of "club" Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:30:52 PM 1470 Views
My clubs are cooler than yours. *NM* Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:35:13 PM 707 Views
I play golf with mine. *NM* Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:43:01 PM 723 Views
Re: Wrong definition of "club" MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:40:55 PM 1369 Views
Are you a member of one of those churches? Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:44:12 PM 1358 Views
Also also: Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:46:05 PM 1353 Views
Re: Are you a member of one of those churches? MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:49:44 PM 1344 Views
Re: Wrong definition of "club" Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:47:20 PM 1385 Views
I don't think he means that kind of club. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:31:41 PM 1269 Views
Also MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:02:44 PM 1424 Views
And wrong again. Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:08:24 PM 1437 Views
Not so quick! MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:21:31 PM 1267 Views
Yes, so quick! Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:32:13 PM 1218 Views
Let's be reasonable here MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:41:53 PM 1323 Views
Why do you get to judge? Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:48:57 PM 1354 Views
I don't MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:53:21 PM 1249 Views
OK. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:58:22 PM 1353 Views
Re: OK. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 11:03:50 PM 1322 Views
Here's the thing: your opinion seems to be informed by the Roman Catholic Faith. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 11:14:03 PM 1261 Views
Re: Here's the thing: your opinion seems to be informed by the Roman Catholic Faith. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 11:23:35 PM 1376 Views
Then please stop. Phelix - 12/08/2010 11:01:05 PM 1325 Views
What's wrong with discussion? MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 11:05:48 PM 1287 Views
Discussion? Nothing. Your assertions about other people's views, something. Phelix - 12/08/2010 11:09:48 PM 1290 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 11:13:46 PM 1324 Views
Yes. That is incorrect. Phelix - 12/08/2010 11:18:05 PM 1287 Views
What, because the expressive message of scouting is anti-gay? Legolas - 12/08/2010 10:12:54 PM 1178 Views
Re: What, because the expressive message of scouting is anti-gay? MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:23:36 PM 1301 Views
Well then that brings us back to my question, which you have yet to answer. Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 10:36:48 PM 1282 Views
Re: Well then that brings us back to my question, which you have yet to answer. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:46:22 PM 1382 Views
Apparently you do believe that you are more qualified Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 10:57:00 PM 1250 Views
You are wrong MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 11:11:37 PM 1111 Views
Really? Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 11:19:10 PM 1177 Views
Not entirely true either... or, well, true as far as Brown goes. Legolas - 12/08/2010 10:08:42 PM 1276 Views
Heh... we discuss restaurants a post or two over there.. ---> Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:10:26 PM 1359 Views
Actually, I did. And since everyone else told you you're wrong about that I didn't see any need Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:38:33 PM 1371 Views
Re: Actually, I did. And since everyone else told you you're wrong about that I didn't see any need MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 09:55:05 PM 1269 Views
Gah. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:59:45 PM 1224 Views
Yes yes yes. It was ungracious. I got bored. *NM* Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:03:17 PM 649 Views
What a mature response. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:11:00 PM 1435 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:21:38 PM 1381 Views
Re: Yes. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:35:51 PM 1336 Views
I can't speak for Rebekah, but I don't think the issue is that your points are invalid per se. Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 10:22:30 PM 1237 Views
I think my point was unclear in that post MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:55:34 PM 1316 Views
It seems that by your (to me nebulous) definition Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 11:05:01 PM 1346 Views
Re: I think my point was unclear in that post Camilla - 13/08/2010 10:58:28 AM 1238 Views
+1 Camilla - 13/08/2010 09:16:24 AM 1121 Views
Hehe Camilla - 13/08/2010 10:46:25 AM 1170 Views
Um Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 09:46:43 PM 1388 Views
That's a very good question. *NM* Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:49:05 PM 650 Views
So good it doesn't even need an answer, apparently *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 10:26:41 PM 704 Views
So good I responded to it someplace else. *NM* MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:56:05 PM 584 Views
It makes no sense Camilla - 12/08/2010 04:29:24 PM 1226 Views
Re: It makes no sense MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:39:25 PM 1293 Views
Re: It makes no sense Camilla - 12/08/2010 07:41:02 PM 1394 Views
It's not sanctioning anything MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 09:25:44 PM 1325 Views
Re: It's not sanctioning anything Camilla - 12/08/2010 09:28:45 PM 1311 Views
Nonsense snoopcester - 12/08/2010 09:35:25 PM 1236 Views
Yes, but while marrying two murderers does not ensure that they will continue to murder... Kronin al'Sulc - 12/08/2010 09:08:53 PM 1215 Views
Re: Yes, but while marrying two murderers does not ensure that they will continue to murder... MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 09:42:21 PM 1328 Views
Suspect you've not read that either. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:43:32 PM 1258 Views
What other church sanctioned circumstances encourage continued sin? Phelix - 12/08/2010 09:45:33 PM 1382 Views
Infant baptism, obviously. Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 09:51:48 PM 1367 Views
*NM* Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:53:17 PM 482 Views
*groan* I forgot that one! Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:09:07 PM 1344 Views
Re: What other church sanctioned circumstances encourage continued sin? Camilla - 13/08/2010 11:04:02 AM 1355 Views
Wow, it's almost like an entire denomination believes that! *NM* Ghavrel - 13/08/2010 03:41:07 PM 644 Views
really? Camilla - 13/08/2010 03:42:42 PM 1195 Views
Camilla - 13/08/2010 03:43:26 PM 1128 Views
Yeah, that's the Roman Catholic basis against masturbation and contraception. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/08/2010 04:12:00 PM 612 Views
Yes Camilla - 13/08/2010 04:22:58 PM 1171 Views
Which is interesting Sareitha Sedai - 13/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1145 Views
Yes Camilla - 13/08/2010 04:29:25 PM 1131 Views
Original poster. *NM* Rebekah - 13/08/2010 04:32:18 PM 676 Views
Camilla - 13/08/2010 04:34:30 PM 1183 Views
Dude....please at least have a working knowledge of the Bible before you spout off. Jeordam - 12/08/2010 10:47:13 PM 1191 Views
I like the part in 1 Corinthians (is it chapter 6?) Rebekah - 12/08/2010 10:49:55 PM 1093 Views
Ya know?!? Jeordam - 12/08/2010 10:55:27 PM 1218 Views
I'm not sure you're correct there. Tom - 12/08/2010 04:33:02 PM 1311 Views
Re: I'm not sure you're correct there. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:40:16 PM 1328 Views
There is a difference... Dannymac - 12/08/2010 09:02:20 PM 1362 Views
No you don't. snoopcester - 12/08/2010 09:16:52 PM 1343 Views
That's another concern Isaac - 12/08/2010 12:39:53 PM 1401 Views
Not quite my point snoopcester - 12/08/2010 09:19:50 PM 1271 Views
secular marriage is decoupled from religious marriage random thoughts - 12/08/2010 02:50:43 PM 1415 Views
Simple, require the legal and religious marriage to be performed separately. Legolas - 12/08/2010 02:58:43 PM 1235 Views
And they are, in fact, separate right now in the US. They're just called the same thing. Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 03:29:26 PM 1288 Views
It's not the same name that's confusing so much as the single ceremony. Or so it seems to me. Legolas - 12/08/2010 03:37:20 PM 1273 Views
I disagree. I think giving the legal institution the same name as the sacrament is the problem. Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 03:59:43 PM 1271 Views
What in the world would that accomplish? random thoughts - 12/08/2010 03:44:32 PM 1326 Views
Provide some much-needed clarity, evidently. Legolas - 12/08/2010 03:49:33 PM 1154 Views
the problem is it would be changing a centuries old tradition.. random thoughts - 12/08/2010 04:26:47 PM 1186 Views
heheheheheheheHAHAHAHEHEHehehehehahheeh*cough* Camilla - 12/08/2010 04:55:09 PM 1213 Views
thats OK I am sure you will get over it random thoughts - 12/08/2010 05:22:08 PM 1227 Views
Just guessing, but I think it was the "centuries old tradition" that set off the giggle fit. Phelix - 12/08/2010 07:25:38 PM 1325 Views
Really? I was hoping for something better random thoughts - 12/08/2010 10:06:00 PM 1276 Views
So government recognition makes your religion meaningful? Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:11:54 PM 1383 Views
not my religion I'm agnostic random thoughts - 12/08/2010 10:34:40 PM 1216 Views
OK, but the point remains the same. Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:51:59 PM 1330 Views
Of course it would random thoughts - 12/08/2010 11:10:03 PM 1413 Views
I'm not far left, thank you very much. *NM* Legolas - 12/08/2010 10:20:31 PM 710 Views
no but your are European and that slants your views *NM* random thoughts - 12/08/2010 10:36:01 PM 690 Views
Sure, but in this case it has little to do with left or right. Legolas - 12/08/2010 10:40:42 PM 1281 Views
that is what I said when I metioned you were European *NM* random thoughts - 12/08/2010 11:11:31 PM 684 Views
Simples snoopcester - 12/08/2010 09:30:31 PM 1300 Views
there are about 140 post ranging from boyscouts to infant babtism random thoughts - 12/08/2010 10:57:46 PM 1267 Views
So. snoopcester - 14/08/2010 01:27:59 AM 1147 Views
sorry I responded I forgot what a tool you are. my bad random thoughts - 14/08/2010 02:48:57 AM 1659 Views
You spout some utter gibberish then dish out insults when called on it? Very funny snoopcester - 15/08/2010 12:47:04 PM 1490 Views
Agreed *NM* Camilla - 12/08/2010 03:45:04 PM 568 Views
I love you, Camilla lyringlas - 12/08/2010 04:02:15 PM 1093 Views
Re: I love you, Camilla Camilla - 12/08/2010 04:04:10 PM 1293 Views
Is there an all above option? *NM* lyringlas - 12/08/2010 04:23:24 PM 718 Views
Naturally. Camilla - 12/08/2010 04:25:14 PM 1285 Views
I know I do *NM* LadyLorraine - 12/08/2010 05:17:35 PM 660 Views
Another thing MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:42:21 PM 1388 Views
A couple of things SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 12:58:09 PM 1286 Views
I disagree MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:47:26 PM 1414 Views
Well, you're within your rights to certainly SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 08:24:30 PM 1363 Views
there is major flaw in your argument random thoughts - 12/08/2010 03:31:45 PM 1414 Views
Re: there is major flaw in your argument lyringlas - 12/08/2010 04:01:32 PM 1301 Views
I should clarify that I support gay marriage random thoughts - 12/08/2010 05:20:36 PM 1242 Views
One point about Prop. 8 Phelix - 12/08/2010 07:38:55 PM 1262 Views
I know that is the commonl;y held belief but I thinkit is wrong random thoughts - 12/08/2010 10:32:58 PM 1193 Views
Religious institutions, though, pushed hard to pass it. Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:42:33 PM 1281 Views
that doesn’t translate into people voting for religious reasons random thoughts - 12/08/2010 11:19:48 PM 1092 Views
Bigotry and Fear that are supported and encouraged by religious institutions. Phelix - 12/08/2010 11:32:30 PM 1261 Views
there are major flaws in your argument MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:51:52 PM 1405 Views
Women can't be priests in the Catholic church. Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 08:00:24 PM 1044 Views
Hehe. You beat me by 6 seconds. *NM* Camilla - 12/08/2010 08:03:28 PM 606 Views
Great minds and all. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/08/2010 08:06:01 PM 610 Views
I was writing a reply to this post... lyringlas - 12/08/2010 03:51:01 PM 1307 Views
I feel your pain *NM* MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:52:28 PM 692 Views
Forcing religious institutions to marry gay couples is hideously unconstitutional. Tom - 12/08/2010 04:18:59 PM 1364 Views
100% agreed. LadyLorraine - 12/08/2010 05:05:35 PM 1402 Views
This. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/08/2010 07:36:57 PM 527 Views
You are absolutely wrong MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:57:19 PM 1332 Views
By that token Camilla - 12/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 1197 Views
My God.... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:49:18 PM 1284 Views
no You are absolutely wrong random thoughts - 12/08/2010 10:08:57 PM 1208 Views
Well, that was horrifyingly stupid. Ghavrel - 13/08/2010 12:57:46 AM 1325 Views
Your arguments are so specious and stupid I don't know where to begin. Tom - 13/08/2010 05:04:17 AM 1223 Views
I am a Christian who wholeheartedly supports Gay Marriage. Seriana Sedai - 12/08/2010 06:49:28 PM 1399 Views
Fair enough. MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 08:01:37 PM 1334 Views
Why do people equate.... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 07:11:15 PM 1273 Views
Because "homophobic", like "xenophobic", has shifted a bit in meaning... Legolas - 12/08/2010 07:33:56 PM 1297 Views
So then.... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 07:39:24 PM 1252 Views
Well, strongly anti-gay, yes. Legolas - 12/08/2010 07:43:40 PM 1090 Views
Homophobic is generally "anti-gay" or "anti-queer"... Phelix - 12/08/2010 07:46:22 PM 1392 Views
Because your reasons for being against gay marriage are so specious *NM* MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 07:59:42 PM 713 Views
I particularly enjoy the implied assumption that your a good enough judge of my motivations. *NM* Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:24:14 PM 670 Views
Re: Why do people equate.... Sidious - 12/08/2010 08:04:24 PM 1476 Views
+1 Camilla - 12/08/2010 08:06:19 PM 1418 Views
Stop with the pile on Camilla. Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:22:35 PM 1349 Views
You would have said nothing if I had just said "agreed" Camilla - 12/08/2010 09:27:33 PM 1173 Views
Which speaks highly of you.... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:36:30 PM 1344 Views
This is being very petty. *NM* Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:41:26 PM 656 Views
As opposed to a snarky +1 comment? *NM* Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:45:02 PM 681 Views
It's not snarky. Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:47:47 PM 1337 Views
Its a +1 shorthand comment... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:52:04 PM 1575 Views
Wow. Those two characters allowed you to read Camilla's motivations? Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:54:25 PM 1217 Views
*shrug* Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:58:42 PM 1400 Views
Yes, I am terribly selfish Camilla - 13/08/2010 09:10:54 AM 1199 Views
Re: Why do people equate.... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:13:07 PM 1419 Views
Re: Why do people equate.... Camilla - 12/08/2010 09:26:41 PM 1298 Views
LOL Rebekah - 12/08/2010 09:42:32 PM 1270 Views
Re: LOL Camilla - 13/08/2010 09:12:29 AM 1213 Views
you are exactly why the state needs to make a clear seperation between the secular and religious snoopcester - 12/08/2010 09:33:22 PM 1272 Views
Ok, so if the state does then... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 09:44:31 PM 1195 Views
No, marriage started because of property. Phelix - 12/08/2010 09:59:14 PM 1294 Views
So then two things come to mind... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 1272 Views
Only two? Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:27:08 PM 1263 Views
Is this the same guy... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 10:43:02 PM 1167 Views
I thought the cow died in an accident, but yes... that guy. Phelix - 12/08/2010 10:58:46 PM 1237 Views
That's a little difficult to do SilverWarder - 13/08/2010 03:19:32 PM 1480 Views
Re: That's a little difficult to do Camilla - 13/08/2010 03:30:14 PM 1336 Views
Oh, I hope not SilverWarder - 13/08/2010 04:19:47 PM 1299 Views
I may be wrong Camilla - 13/08/2010 04:24:28 PM 1292 Views
Property isn't just agricultural. Phelix - 13/08/2010 06:11:12 PM 1219 Views
True enough SilverWarder - 16/08/2010 03:12:31 PM 1492 Views
yes but about half of the old testament deals with protecting those rights random thoughts - 13/08/2010 05:16:09 PM 1266 Views
The relationship between religion and rain go even farther back... Phelix - 13/08/2010 06:15:32 PM 1268 Views
to me it is a beside the point when it comes to the law random thoughts - 13/08/2010 06:25:50 PM 1246 Views
moot, not mute Camilla - 13/08/2010 08:48:04 PM 1550 Views
damn random thoughts - 13/08/2010 08:52:23 PM 1349 Views
Actually, I agree with that snoopcester - 12/08/2010 10:01:37 PM 1163 Views
See, now this, I could deal with.... Jeordam - 12/08/2010 10:06:15 PM 1164 Views
So is it that you are hung up on the name then? SilverWarder - 13/08/2010 03:29:02 PM 1227 Views
Rights.... Phelix - 12/08/2010 09:34:45 PM 1252 Views
See, what I don't get is why gay people care about jh - 12/08/2010 08:18:45 PM 1258 Views
It's mostly about getting married in the eyes of the state. Phelix - 12/08/2010 08:42:52 PM 1373 Views
I'm fairly sure Jonte was referring only to the "churches have to accept gay marriages" bit. *NM* Legolas - 12/08/2010 08:44:52 PM 707 Views
Hmmm... Then I shall reply to that part here. Phelix - 12/08/2010 08:50:10 PM 1386 Views
Oh, so it is an american thing, then. *NM* jh - 14/08/2010 08:58:28 AM 648 Views
Starting again Camilla - 12/08/2010 08:23:08 PM 1385 Views
Not at all MalkierKnight - 12/08/2010 10:58:45 PM 1299 Views
Re: Not at all Camilla - 13/08/2010 09:14:48 AM 1078 Views
Agreed *NM* snoopcester - 13/08/2010 10:21:06 AM 552 Views
Oh dear Camilla - 13/08/2010 10:30:45 AM 1182 Views
But what if I like being selfish and evil? *NM* snoopcester - 13/08/2010 11:25:01 AM 695 Views
Well, being English might help you get away with it Camilla - 13/08/2010 11:26:17 AM 1124 Views
I'm curious Sareitha Sedai - 13/08/2010 01:49:15 PM 1250 Views
Camilla - 13/08/2010 01:54:19 PM 1132 Views
Okay, good. Sareitha Sedai - 13/08/2010 01:58:14 PM 1297 Views
I suppose you also think that religious Pacifists should be eligible for the draft? Dannymac - 12/08/2010 08:42:21 PM 1342 Views
very nicely said *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2010 02:16:53 PM 557 Views
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