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Oh i know it's not a complete solution and i have no problem with a fence LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 07:43:26 PM
but so many people just focus on the border itself and worry about building a big enough/good enough fence and patrolling it constantly in its entirety. So few people focus on the bigger issues in regards to illegal immigration that can proactively decrease it, such as process reform and drug reform.

Just for some rough numbers, I have a friend (a wotmaniac-friend) who's husband is from Australia. Our good old friend Australia, yes? To come to the States, he had to wait a full year and pay thousands of dollars. He yearly has to pay a good chunk of money (I believe it's around 1k dollars) to stay on his particular visa/green card. This is exacerbated a bit, as they are not pursuing citizenship (When she finishes school, they plan to move back to Aus).

My main point in this is that it requires a great deal of time and money to come to the US legally, even for someone from a country like Australia, and who is working in a relatively desired field (he's a techie). Is it really a surprise that impoverished Mexicans without a hope in their own country look at the finances and time required for proper immigration, and choose to chance a border jump instead? This isn't to say we should just let them all in or not remove them, but people in desperate circumstances will find away around a fence. An entire shark-infested sea doesn't stop the Cubans.
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1303 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 359 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 941 Views
Revolución! *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 336 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 814 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 832 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 829 Views
I would legalize drugs ten times over before I would annex Mexico. - 16/08/2010 05:36:37 PM 898 Views
that sounds like a much better immigration solution idea than "let's build a GIGANTIC FENCE!!!" *NM* - 16/08/2010 06:33:46 PM 343 Views
Lol that rates right up there with the bridge to nowhere *NM* - 16/08/2010 06:49:19 PM 356 Views
Work Visas might help, but... - 16/08/2010 06:51:11 PM 1026 Views
Oh i know it's not a complete solution and i have no problem with a fence - 16/08/2010 07:43:26 PM 766 Views
Just so long as we're both on the 'multi-front solution' page - 16/08/2010 08:35:06 PM 679 Views
it's also worth noting that no one is proposing throwing out the Cubans - 16/08/2010 08:54:46 PM 824 Views
west point? *NM* - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 308 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 1037 Views
never *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 341 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 431 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 335 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 762 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 803 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 805 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 741 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 912 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 815 Views
Ah, - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 724 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 859 Views
Perhaps - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 717 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 850 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 801 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 849 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 349 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 818 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 771 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 679 Views
It is fairly large, but yes - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 759 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1205 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 373 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 638 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 984 Views
well they were not using it *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 321 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 337 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 659 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 731 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 896 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 327 Views

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