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Er, not enough Jews to be a problem, to put it crudely. Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 09:50:41 PM
Many Jews fled Germany under the Nazi-regime in the thirties, and one assumes they'd have continued to do so if war hadn't started. Perhaps in the end he'd still have engaged in genocide on the Jews that stayed behind, but I think that's unlikely. The Nazi-regime did actually consider some plans of mass expulsion of Jews at first, it's not like they were genocidal from the start, at first they merely wanted them out; it's not until the invasion of the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941 that they actually started engaging in genocide, and not until the Wannsee Conference of January 1942 that the plans for the extermination camps were begun. If they would only have had the German Jews to deal with, minus the ones that had already immigrated or fled of their own volition, perhaps the mass expulsion schemes would have worked - or perhaps they wouldn't even have bothered, accepting that a small number of Jews remained in Germany. Who knows.

So yeah, you can't see the Holocaust as separate from the war. It was to a large extent Polish and Russian Jews, plus smaller numbers from other countries, who died in the Holocaust, but without war those people would never have been in Hitler's hands.

Bottom line, alternative history is too complicated to engage in it just to make simple points. :P But any attempt to look at Hitler's Germany without the war is going to be a lot less spectacular and proverbially evil than it's considered in reality, and a lot more comparable to plenty of other dictatorships.
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1287 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 352 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 923 Views
Revolución! *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 329 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 798 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 817 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 813 Views
west point? *NM* - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 302 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 1016 Views
never *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 334 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 423 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 327 Views
Really? Why is that? I'm not too terribly familiar with Hitler's reasons for mass genocide *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:30:48 PM 334 Views
Er, not enough Jews to be a problem, to put it crudely. - 16/08/2010 09:50:41 PM 899 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 745 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 781 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 790 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 729 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 896 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 797 Views
Ah, - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 710 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 845 Views
Perhaps - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 703 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 837 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 779 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 831 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 342 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 799 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 746 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 663 Views
It is fairly large, but yes - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 742 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1187 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 365 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 621 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 968 Views
well they were not using it *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 315 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 330 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 645 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 715 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 882 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 318 Views

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