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Er, not enough Jews to be a problem, to put it crudely. Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 09:50:41 PM
Many Jews fled Germany under the Nazi-regime in the thirties, and one assumes they'd have continued to do so if war hadn't started. Perhaps in the end he'd still have engaged in genocide on the Jews that stayed behind, but I think that's unlikely. The Nazi-regime did actually consider some plans of mass expulsion of Jews at first, it's not like they were genocidal from the start, at first they merely wanted them out; it's not until the invasion of the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941 that they actually started engaging in genocide, and not until the Wannsee Conference of January 1942 that the plans for the extermination camps were begun. If they would only have had the German Jews to deal with, minus the ones that had already immigrated or fled of their own volition, perhaps the mass expulsion schemes would have worked - or perhaps they wouldn't even have bothered, accepting that a small number of Jews remained in Germany. Who knows.

So yeah, you can't see the Holocaust as separate from the war. It was to a large extent Polish and Russian Jews, plus smaller numbers from other countries, who died in the Holocaust, but without war those people would never have been in Hitler's hands.

Bottom line, alternative history is too complicated to engage in it just to make simple points. :P But any attempt to look at Hitler's Germany without the war is going to be a lot less spectacular and proverbially evil than it's considered in reality, and a lot more comparable to plenty of other dictatorships.
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1304 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 359 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 941 Views
Revolución! *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 336 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 814 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 832 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 829 Views
west point? *NM* - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 308 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 1037 Views
never *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 341 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 431 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 335 Views
Really? Why is that? I'm not too terribly familiar with Hitler's reasons for mass genocide *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:30:48 PM 341 Views
Er, not enough Jews to be a problem, to put it crudely. - 16/08/2010 09:50:41 PM 916 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 762 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 804 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 805 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 742 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 912 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 815 Views
Ah, - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 724 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 859 Views
Perhaps - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 717 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 850 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 802 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 849 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 349 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 818 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 771 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 679 Views
It is fairly large, but yes - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 759 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1205 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 373 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 638 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 984 Views
well they were not using it *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 321 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 337 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 659 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 731 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 896 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 327 Views

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