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That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM
The earliest known attribution that I'm aware of is Christian, by some way. Which makes the use of it well judged

Despite the precedent being there, it's not a verbatim quote from the Bible. Kind of like people assuming "God helps those who help themselves" is in there, too.


Indeed, of course I never said it was in the bible.

This is somewhat relevant to the debate, too. A lot of people culturally identify with Christianity, but do little to nothing that actually makes them a Christian. If they did, they might be reading the Word more to know what's actually in there. (and treat all folks as what we are, beggars leading other beggars to real substance)


Plenty of people have read it over the years and come out with very, very different ideas of what is actually in there
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1487 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 1043 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 959 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 989 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1115 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 1014 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 476 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 1006 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 1019 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 968 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1093 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1082 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 963 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 942 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1089 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1079 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 869 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1172 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 453 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 1034 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1087 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 459 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 988 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 994 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 969 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 1006 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 978 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 1043 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 1060 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 1070 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1087 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1125 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 978 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1104 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1537 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 1053 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1101 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1112 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 991 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 1008 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 983 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1103 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 987 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 1084 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1149 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 980 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 1007 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 1040 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 1042 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 994 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 408 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1358 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 963 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 429 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 1042 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1111 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1188 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 432 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 1070 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1131 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1121 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 1006 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1078 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 1003 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 1009 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 866 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 1013 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 1062 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 1001 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1076 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 966 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1214 Views
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