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He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM
I agree with a lot that has already been said in this thread regarding how black and white Savage's thinking is on the matter.

This bothered me a lot though:

Did that hurt to hear? Good. But it couldn't have hurt nearly as much as what was said and done to Asher Brown and Justin Aaberg and Billy Lucas and Cody Barker and Seth Walsh—day in, day out for years—at schools filled with bigoted little monsters created not in the image of a loving God, but in the image of the hateful and false "followers of Christ" they call Mom and Dad.


I really hate internet/arm-chair pragmatists and I am not seeking to be one when I say this: Just because there are gross injustices in the world really doesn't give anyone the right to be as malicious, and rude.

I am not a Christian, I was not born a Christian and I was not raised Christian. But I did see that the poster was polite, sympathetic, and certainly did not deserve to be accused of that which Savage accused them of.

If I were Mr. Savage, I'd send that person a letter of apology, and take the opportunity to better-expound my stance.
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1435 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 1000 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 920 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 931 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1070 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 955 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 453 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 943 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 951 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 927 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1052 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1036 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 921 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 892 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1043 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1027 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 822 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1105 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 428 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 983 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1038 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 438 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 950 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 956 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 927 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 959 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 928 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 988 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 1006 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 1024 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1042 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1055 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 899 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1050 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1479 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 1004 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1054 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1067 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 947 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 968 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 935 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1057 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 939 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 1032 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1097 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 907 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 962 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 993 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 995 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 949 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 387 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1267 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 913 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 388 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 991 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1063 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1146 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 410 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 1026 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1084 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1075 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 961 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1030 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 957 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 962 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 820 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 965 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 1022 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 957 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1028 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 922 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1164 Views
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