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I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM
That it's understandable makes it no more excusable. The point made in the first letter is a valid one; I happen to be a Christian who believes gay marriage (in the sacramental sense, anyway) but I'm not out holding up signs stating what God hates or demanding Constitutional revisions. If the same is true of the person who wrote in, then most of the vitriol Savage expends in response is undeserved and misapplied. Fact is, I don't know--and neither does Savage, but that didn't slow him down one little bit.

Mainly, I think, because of the line of thinking he expresses in saying he's not sorry if the persons feelings were hurt because gay kids are dying. The two aren't necessarily related, except in Savages mind, where it's pretty clear that schoolyard teasing about homosexuality is a MUCH greater infraction than publicly condemning an entire religion in print.

I try, with mixed success, to encourage love and tolerance for everyone, especially those with whom I disagree, and holding me accountable for what Fred Phelps does is about as fair as me holding all gays accountable for what Jeffrey Dahmer did. I don't accept that kind of behavior, I do speak out against it when I see it (as a behavior, not a person) and I'm not going to apologize for the fact I don't abduct and restrain people who preach intolerance in the name of God. Meanwhile, it's hard to have a conversation about respect and tolerance with someone who refers to my Lord and Savior, Who died for me despite my sins, as my "magic sky friend. "
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Love the Sinner - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1411 Views
I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 974 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 889 Views
That is not what I think requires thought - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 899 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1040 Views
for ze record - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 906 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 434 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 917 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 927 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 905 Views
He was very frank but completely founded - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1023 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1001 Views
I'm not sure that is true - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 888 Views
I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1003 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 790 Views
Yes and no - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1076 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 408 Views
I would think... - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 950 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1003 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 420 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 935 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 901 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 959 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 975 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 994 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1014 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1026 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 875 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1014 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 972 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1016 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1044 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 917 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 939 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 903 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 910 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 997 Views
I mostly agree - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1066 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 878 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 936 Views
Interesting - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1246 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 878 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 371 Views
Okay my response now - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 964 Views
He becomes what he hates. - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1119 Views
Good stuff. *NM* - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 392 Views
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I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1050 Views
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It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 934 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1000 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 925 Views
I don't think there is any question... - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 936 Views
If I may quibble: - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 791 Views
He's bullying Christians - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 920 Views
I agree - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 999 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 893 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1135 Views

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