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I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 Send a noteboard - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM

If you do not, at the risk of sounding snide, are you searching to accept something you can't speak about on a textural level?

I don't look to Christianity for my answers, I am an atheist/agnostic/non-believer/etc. Yet I love the history of Christianity. I was raised Catholic, and have a huge love of the history and lore of the church and of writing in general. Thus while I may be a non believer I know more than most people (probably about 98%). Catholics though do accept textual criticism (for example is the sixth commandment "thou shall not kill" or "you shall not murder," two very different translations), Catholics also recognize there are hundreds of authors of the bible, but they believe that God guided the various councils that assembled the bible so only truth won out.

Regardless I been a non-believer for years before I accepted I am gay.

I know a few folks who do, though, and have no problem asking for their input on the claims. Like I said, however - there's good reason that this is a pretty minimal claim in comparison to the totality of scripture and Christianity as a whole. The theology associated with it is largely of a liberal bent, which has a habit of downplaying scriptural truth and justifying misbehavior.

If you have friends that know Koine Greek have them please identify any previous meanings of the word

Arsenokoitai

You won't find any previous meanings of that word, Paul literally made it up, yet it is used as justification in 1 Corinthians as justification on the persecution of gay people for according to Paul anybody who is Arsenkoitai won't be allowed into the kingdom of heaven. Now according to Martin Luther Arsenkoitai meant people who masutrbate, other translations settle on gay people.

Please ask your friends what Arsenokoitai means, please go ask your friends and find out.
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1489 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 1044 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 960 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 990 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1117 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 1015 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 476 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 1007 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 1020 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 969 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1094 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1083 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 964 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 943 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1090 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1080 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 870 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1173 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 453 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 1035 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1088 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 459 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 989 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 995 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 970 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 1007 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 979 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 1044 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 1061 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 1071 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1087 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1126 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 980 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1106 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1538 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 1055 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1103 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1113 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 992 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 1009 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 985 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1104 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 988 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 1085 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1149 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 980 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 1008 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 1041 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 1043 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 994 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 408 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1360 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 964 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 429 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 1043 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1112 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1188 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 432 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 1071 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1133 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1121 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 1007 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1079 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 1005 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 1011 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 867 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 1014 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 1064 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 1002 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1077 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 967 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1215 Views
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