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I'm not sure, but its not a big obstacle Isaac Send a noteboard - 24/11/2010 07:39:22 PM
. . . it seems to me the TSA and the airlines are unrelated financially. Unless maybe the airports pay a fee to the government for having the TSA there, which the airport passes on the the airlines, which the airline passes on the the customer. I honestly don't know if there's a connection or not. I always just assumed the TSA was paid for with tax dollars.


You could go with a 'per head' tax but probably just have TSA sell 'elective pat downs' by sticking a little vending machine that takes quarters/dollars and spits out a pat down ticket and cut the airlines out entirely, except insofar as you'd probably want to allow them to sell them for you too. Its not like government agencies don't 'sell' things anyway, licenses and such, toll road passes, stamps, etc. A little 'EPD ticket' if you would, no harder to dispense then postage stamps, good for a 24 hour period, present to TSA if you don't like scanners, lose it and buy another or get scanned. I've no idea what the actual cost of a pat down is, I used to do pat downs on locals in Iraq from time to time and it didn't take me a full minute, even including language barriers and slowness from how infrequently I did it, so like if we're paying our pat down guys $30 an hour and giving them two minutes a person that's a whole whopping buck, there's no real security worry about people forging pat down tickets so you could just use a normal little ticket vending dealie like pay garages use. Simple, easy, cheap, and gets rid of most of the hassle, if the consumers on the whole seem to prefer an extra layer of perceived privacy at a higher cost, you've got an easy way to adjust for it.
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So, people travelling in the US tomorrow: are you opting out? - 23/11/2010 10:45:03 PM 1037 Views
Meh. - 23/11/2010 11:23:17 PM 1004 Views
How did the NYTimes phrase this again... oh yes. - 23/11/2010 11:42:29 PM 1008 Views
This article about "Isrealification" is interesting - 24/11/2010 12:54:59 AM 1063 Views
We have that saying here, too. - 24/11/2010 01:50:03 AM 1000 Views
Re: We have that saying here, too. - 24/11/2010 02:05:09 AM 915 Views
a loaded gun clip was found left on a plane by an off-duty cop just today in fact.... - 24/11/2010 05:06:15 AM 810 Views
Yeah, but he was allowed to take his gun with him - 24/11/2010 05:22:05 AM 893 Views
Security is worse than before 911? - 24/11/2010 02:03:21 PM 866 Views
You're missing the point - 24/11/2010 09:48:42 AM 886 Views
No, I got the point, I'm just not sure it's that cut and dried. - 24/11/2010 01:41:40 PM 963 Views
Wrong spot. *NM* - 24/11/2010 02:00:05 PM 361 Views
The thing about the gun just proves how good the behavioural profiling is. - 25/11/2010 09:49:55 AM 705 Views
Good point. - 25/11/2010 02:08:57 PM 1089 Views
If all goes as they say it does, it sounds like a very good system *NM* - 24/11/2010 04:23:42 AM 352 Views
supposedly the israel model "does not scale" - 24/11/2010 05:14:53 AM 991 Views
Which is pretty much what I figured. - 24/11/2010 01:56:24 PM 891 Views
Sounds about right *NM* - 24/11/2010 02:26:43 PM 295 Views
No, US air traffic controllers don't go on strike. - 24/11/2010 01:37:30 AM 904 Views
Re: No, US air traffic controllers don't go on strike. - 24/11/2010 01:48:30 PM 881 Views
The long term effects are unknown? - 24/11/2010 02:23:24 PM 769 Views
They should be prepared enough to do mass pat-downs - 24/11/2010 02:00:07 AM 676 Views
If I was travelling, I would not opt out. - 24/11/2010 12:32:06 AM 814 Views
I would - 24/11/2010 01:56:56 AM 858 Views
I've got no problem with the scanners, but people are welcome to object - 24/11/2010 02:20:25 AM 1137 Views
Nice idea, but . . . - 24/11/2010 05:38:11 PM 749 Views
I'm not sure, but its not a big obstacle - 24/11/2010 07:39:22 PM 865 Views
I see some sheep have replied to your post. *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:17:00 AM 316 Views
I assume you are less than fond of the situation, then? *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:25:45 AM 453 Views
You assume correctly. - 24/11/2010 03:44:23 AM 1041 Views
Not saying this applies in reality... - 24/11/2010 04:25:25 AM 874 Views
If grandmas aren't getting groped at the airport... - 24/11/2010 04:38:50 AM 876 Views
just out of curiousity, do either you or litdog have any solutions? - 24/11/2010 04:59:07 AM 784 Views
Stop adding useless and invasive procedures. *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:19:23 AM 360 Views
yes that's all well and good. - 24/11/2010 05:37:01 AM 726 Views
It would be the same as it was before this nonsense. EDITED - 24/11/2010 06:18:57 AM 949 Views
if that's what your comfortable with, then. Fair enough *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:22:46 AM 329 Views
Read my edit for what I think is a bit more balanced. *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:29:11 AM 317 Views
read And yah, it sounds like you're a bit like me. - 24/11/2010 06:54:15 AM 838 Views
Re: read And yah, it sounds like you're a bit like me. - 24/11/2010 07:24:59 PM 817 Views
Become the enemy and they win, but is this is really a Civil Rights issue? - 24/11/2010 02:16:43 PM 990 Views
It doesn't grant interstate CAR travel either. - 24/11/2010 04:29:30 PM 726 Views
Very simple: - 24/11/2010 07:28:45 PM 970 Views
I fully support the protest, by the way. - 24/11/2010 03:45:43 AM 787 Views
I doubt it. - 24/11/2010 04:35:03 AM 999 Views
I'm considering doing it. - 24/11/2010 05:17:43 AM 664 Views
At least have the decency to refer to us as 'sheeple' *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:39:47 AM 324 Views
You didn't seem to be among the sheep. *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:45:06 AM 320 Views
Well, yeah. - 24/11/2010 03:51:03 AM 766 Views
Probably true! *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:51:53 AM 280 Views
Whiners - 24/11/2010 11:26:22 AM 854 Views
Well, I opted out. - 24/11/2010 02:00:49 PM 988 Views
in january im going for the pat down *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:17:32 PM 293 Views
Only morons fly in the U.S. on Thanksgiving day. *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:42:04 PM 412 Views
Very few people do. The day before Thanksgiving, however... - 24/11/2010 06:43:32 PM 720 Views
Of course. I mixed my days up. I apologize. - 26/11/2010 06:27:49 PM 855 Views
Re: Is it weird that I just want to be touched? - 24/11/2010 05:59:50 PM 797 Views
Ma'am, in your case, unless you "present as" male. *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:44:51 PM 384 Views
Here's a report on the scanners, that you might just want to get felt up. - 24/11/2010 08:56:09 PM 921 Views

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