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There are some places you can go that discuss the creationist ideas random thoughts Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 10:58:25 PM
The article linked wikicreation and there is also The Creationist Museum website.

To be honest though it is a fairly dead end debate. Creationist tend to find one small piece of information take it out of context and lock onto it. Out of curiosity I have looked at some of their evidence at the majority is either really bad science or misstating other scientist. They do have some interesting theories about conditions in a pre-flood world but you can the same sort of thing in a good scfi book. I watched a video where they were excavating dinosaur tracks and finding human tracks next to them. The problem is that even though I am not a trained paleontologist I am pretty sure you would do such excavations with a bulldozer as they were.

I t does get more interesting though once you get beyond the young earth crowd. Evolution can't work with half a system and every step in the process has to be sustainable and an advantage of the previous step. Evolution very rarely creates new things but instead modifies old things. Evolution is more of a result then a process.

For a snake to bite and poison you it needs four things. Retractable hollow fangs, toxin, glands to pump toxin and the hard wiring in their instinct driven brain to use it the toxins. None of them are of any use without the others and all four them developing in a usable form at once defies reason.

The reality is there is a lot more we don’t understand about evolution then we do understand the fossil record is hard to read and very incomplete in places. I know that in just my life there have been dramatic changes in what we think happened and they were just as sure then as they are now that they were right.
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I can't even believe this. - 13/09/2009 07:40:02 PM 1170 Views
Take a deep breath, close your eyes and go to your happy place. - 13/09/2009 07:43:15 PM 701 Views
Re: Take a deep breath, close your eyes and go to your happy place. - 13/09/2009 10:28:42 PM 787 Views
That is one amazingly stupid article... - 13/09/2009 08:04:47 PM 738 Views
ditto *NM* - 13/09/2009 08:11:45 PM 356 Views
Re: ditto - 13/09/2009 10:01:54 PM 832 Views
wow why a witty and well thought out rebuttal. - 14/09/2009 10:02:14 PM 716 Views
Ugh. Interesting subject, awful article. - 13/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 760 Views
Re: I can't even believe this. - 13/09/2009 09:05:45 PM 718 Views
Re: I can't even believe this. - 13/09/2009 10:33:47 PM 640 Views
I'd agree with you, if... - 13/09/2009 10:36:07 PM 716 Views
*sigh* People bashing other people. - 13/09/2009 10:02:54 PM 777 Views
The author used the phrase "proven theories." Ergo, their argument is invalid. *NM* - 14/09/2009 01:11:51 AM 386 Views
seriously. there's no such thing as a truly proven theory - 14/09/2009 01:52:30 AM 695 Views
Re: definition of "theory" - 14/09/2009 04:49:13 AM 777 Views
Re: definition of "theory" - 14/09/2009 08:56:48 AM 856 Views
I can't really tell - 14/09/2009 08:14:14 PM 743 Views
Re: I think I was agreeing with you, yes *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:37:00 AM 347 Views
Oh, good. I'll let you live. *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:55:49 AM 395 Views
I think you are getting workedup over nothing - 14/09/2009 09:57:22 PM 892 Views
That's... not exactly it. - 14/09/2009 10:33:02 PM 654 Views
not that is exactly it - 14/09/2009 11:10:52 PM 908 Views
No, Craig is quite right. - 14/09/2009 11:21:11 PM 704 Views
Heh. You were much more diplomatic about it than I was. *NM* - 14/09/2009 11:24:41 PM 394 Views
No you just happen to wrong with him - 15/09/2009 01:14:16 AM 711 Views
Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... - 15/09/2009 10:51:46 AM 897 Views
Re: Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... - 15/09/2009 05:32:51 PM 867 Views
To butt in for a second... - 15/09/2009 07:38:05 PM 721 Views
'Fraid not. - 14/09/2009 11:24:00 PM 713 Views
Re: 'Fraid not. - 15/09/2009 01:21:14 AM 697 Views
Re: 'Fraid not. - 15/09/2009 01:22:59 AM 845 Views
Ithat was meant to be an eidt. oh well - 15/09/2009 01:23:36 AM 772 Views
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completely aside from this argument you guys have here... - 15/09/2009 05:02:21 AM 761 Views
Interrupter! - 15/09/2009 06:11:40 AM 690 Views
Re: Interrupter! - 15/09/2009 06:54:56 AM 793 Views
One brain C4, coming up... - 15/09/2009 12:00:26 PM 764 Views
Nicely put - 15/09/2009 03:48:42 PM 675 Views
Yes, I know. - 15/09/2009 04:55:22 PM 811 Views
PFt - 15/09/2009 04:56:19 PM 684 Views
Are you telling me I am getting predictable? - 15/09/2009 04:58:59 PM 774 Views
The age of the universe is an important point in the creationist argument - 15/09/2009 05:53:41 PM 767 Views
Exactly. So it was in the wrong column. - 15/09/2009 07:58:15 PM 726 Views
what I think has been lost in the debate is it looks like it will be a good movie - 15/09/2009 08:14:04 PM 789 Views
That, I can agree with. *NM* - 15/09/2009 08:22:44 PM 366 Views
Um. - 14/09/2009 11:28:28 PM 841 Views
LOL - 15/09/2009 09:29:16 PM 775 Views
Really? Because this was a rather atypical debate, honestly. - 15/09/2009 09:43:13 PM 691 Views
Heh. - 15/09/2009 09:54:00 PM 784 Views
Well, I can pretend if you want me to - 15/09/2009 10:07:59 PM 1226 Views
I happen to find it all extremely interesting - 15/09/2009 10:23:19 PM 714 Views
Re: I happen to find it all extremely interesting - 15/09/2009 10:36:14 PM 781 Views
There are some places you can go that discuss the creationist ideas - 15/09/2009 10:58:25 PM 860 Views
Having just been to the Creationist Museum last Monday - 16/09/2009 12:00:12 AM 1007 Views
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster! - 16/09/2009 06:03:20 AM 693 Views

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