The feminist movement achieved nearly everything it set out for itself. It was a movement to give women equal rights, and in civilized countries that is by and large a reality. Women can vote, hold any job they want and are very close to equal pay in most fields.
The feminist movement wasn't about FORCING women to be like men. It was about NOT forcing them to be homemakers if they decided that they didn't want to be. It was about not forcing them to choose between the professions of nurse and teacher as job alternatives.
Once women achieved that, the crazies went off in all sorts of spurious and irrelevant directions. Andrea Dworkin, the ugliest woman to grace the planet, upset that no one (of either sex) would consent to have sex with her, declared all acts of sex to be rape in order to pretend she didn't want it anyway. Other absurdist feminists came up with all sorts of crazy theories of a similar type. However, no one really listens to them, cares, or takes them seriously. They really shouldn't be called feminists, anyway. They are academics in "gender studies" (sic) departments trying to justify their existence and their own psychoses.
The fact that a majority of women choose traditionally "feminine" roles doesn't mean that feminism failed, though. The fact that they're CHOOSING the roles, rather than having them forced upon them, is the key achievement of feminism.
The feminist movement wasn't about FORCING women to be like men. It was about NOT forcing them to be homemakers if they decided that they didn't want to be. It was about not forcing them to choose between the professions of nurse and teacher as job alternatives.
Once women achieved that, the crazies went off in all sorts of spurious and irrelevant directions. Andrea Dworkin, the ugliest woman to grace the planet, upset that no one (of either sex) would consent to have sex with her, declared all acts of sex to be rape in order to pretend she didn't want it anyway. Other absurdist feminists came up with all sorts of crazy theories of a similar type. However, no one really listens to them, cares, or takes them seriously. They really shouldn't be called feminists, anyway. They are academics in "gender studies" (sic) departments trying to justify their existence and their own psychoses.
The fact that a majority of women choose traditionally "feminine" roles doesn't mean that feminism failed, though. The fact that they're CHOOSING the roles, rather than having them forced upon them, is the key achievement of feminism.
But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears
- 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM
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I think you're extrapolating a bit too much
- 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM
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The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to
- 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM
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I don't trust the figures.
- 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM
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One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM*
- 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM
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While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end.
- 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM
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My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career
- 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM
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Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career
- 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM
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Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career
- 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM
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It's not just that choice though.
- 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM
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It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM*
- 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM
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For you maybe.
- 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM
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I agree. I would also like to add, if I may...
- 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM
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- 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM
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all 25 of them?
- 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM
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Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site.
- 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM
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- 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM
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It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it.
- 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM
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I have to admit that this bothers me.
- 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM
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I guess you think the same of me then.
- 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM
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- 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM
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Another one?
- 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM
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- 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM
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Re: Another one?
- 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM
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- 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM
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~never mind~ *NM* *NM*
- 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM
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I'm going to answer you anyway.
- 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM
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- 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM
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not to mention
- 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM
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you don't want kids?
- 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM
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bleck
- 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM
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- 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM
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You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world
- 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM
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Poor Aeryn
- 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM
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I replied before she edited
- 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM
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The primary issue...
- 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM
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Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article.
- 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM
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It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home.
- 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM
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My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect
- 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM
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I think all of that makes sense
- 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM
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I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math.
- 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM
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men have more physical strength period
- 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM
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There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength.
- 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM
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how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong
- 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM
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How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference.
- 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM
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your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics
- 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM
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There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy.
- 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM
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so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives?
- 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM
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Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades.
- 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM
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Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors
- 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM
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Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women.
- 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM
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not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are
- 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM
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- 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM
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Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us.
- 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM
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When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math
- 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM
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Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former.
- 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM
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I'm trying to understand your position
- 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM
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Now you've got it.
- 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM
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we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men
- 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM
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What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive.
- 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM
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There are theories but of course they are unprovable
- 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM
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That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence.
- 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM
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I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven
- 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM
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here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology
- 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM
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I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link.
- 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM
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- 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM
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oops
- 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM
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Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way.
- 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM
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You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough
- 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM
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I would also like to say this:
- 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM
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Of course
- 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM
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"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience.
- 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM
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Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience.
- 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM
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I'm glad YOU think it's fun...
- 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM
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I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now...
- 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM
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Re: I would also like to say this:
- 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM
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Re: I would also like to say this:
- 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM
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No
- 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM
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Re: No
- 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM
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Re: No
- 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM
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Re: No
- 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM
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Re: No
- 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM
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Since this has become too complicated
- 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM
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The two are used as different psychological concepts.
- 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM
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Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office?
- 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM
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what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them
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- 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM
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- 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM
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Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful.
- 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM
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Well put. *NM*
- 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM
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I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot
- 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM
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NOW is just a left-leaning PAC.
- 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM
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I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing
- 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM
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Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things
- 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM
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I was refering to groups like NOW
- 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM
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Gosh, look what you started.
- 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM
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- 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM
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somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM*
- 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM
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I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work.
- 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM
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that part would be great
- 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM
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I could do it every day.
- 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM
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So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out?
- 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM
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This sounds awful to me.
- 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM
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- 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM
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I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering.
- 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM
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*NM*