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not to mention nossy Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM
I don't consider it as "taking myself out of things". I have no interest in doing anything else, so what's the point of doing second best when I can do what I want?

that if you do what you want to do, you're in the best position to teach your daughters that they can do whatever they want with their lives. Why be bitter that you put your family second? I'm sure that would carry over to what you can teach them about personal choices and strengths.

My mother was a house-wife with four children, and we're all very opinionated work-a-holics. I don't even want children, so it's not as though it's a given thing.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2423 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1490 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1481 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1490 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 775 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1461 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1556 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1492 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1493 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1496 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1487 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1436 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1566 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 815 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1484 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1487 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1515 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1486 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1446 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1507 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1349 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1392 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1424 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1407 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 857 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1399 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1536 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1513 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1388 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1354 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1403 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1421 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 919 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1497 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1450 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1373 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1391 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1399 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1366 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1428 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1410 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1449 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1380 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1328 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1442 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 855 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1375 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 789 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1512 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1384 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1444 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1466 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1303 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1387 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1375 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1537 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1414 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1355 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1327 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1368 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1390 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1339 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1352 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1408 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1373 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1382 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1390 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1308 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1421 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1500 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1297 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1416 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1297 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1397 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1310 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1380 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1275 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1461 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 751 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1339 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1385 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1410 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1239 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1353 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1296 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1368 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1240 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1403 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1412 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1407 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1314 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1583 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1495 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1388 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1431 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1395 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1426 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1404 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1312 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1370 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1420 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1515 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1426 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1404 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1290 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1275 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1386 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1384 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1424 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1421 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1429 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1345 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1359 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1359 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1432 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 775 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1374 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1420 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 706 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1412 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 760 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1422 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1398 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1387 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2570 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1348 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1411 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1363 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1321 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1313 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1307 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1394 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1396 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 801 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 763 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1436 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1391 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1322 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1434 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1393 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1332 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1449 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1452 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1381 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1480 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1388 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1396 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1376 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1410 Views
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