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They most certainly do. Jacob Send a noteboard - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM
I know a couple stay at home dads. Ones that chose to stay at home rather than have the economy dictate it. I would have gladly chosen to stay home if my wife hadn't really, really, really wanted to... and she will be breastfeeding so she had the advantage toward the practicality of which of us stays at home after the new baby is born.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 1992 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1084 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1066 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1093 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 558 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1039 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1101 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1089 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1079 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1081 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1084 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1012 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1132 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 591 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1071 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1045 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1106 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1082 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1016 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1044 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 929 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 976 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 993 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1014 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 628 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 987 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1087 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1109 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 987 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 970 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 994 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1036 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 688 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1094 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1034 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 972 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 979 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 981 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 974 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1019 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 982 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1049 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 970 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 932 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1015 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 627 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 951 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 556 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1099 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 953 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1043 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1044 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 930 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 991 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 947 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1085 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1014 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 936 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 930 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 938 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 939 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 937 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 940 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 994 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 948 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 973 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 960 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 903 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1025 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1040 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 859 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 995 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 910 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 985 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 877 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 939 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 900 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1042 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 540 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 935 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 979 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 992 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 867 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 955 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 866 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 926 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 827 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 983 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 979 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1021 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 888 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1132 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1078 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 964 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1007 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 979 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1013 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 997 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 920 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 966 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1003 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1085 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 964 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 996 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 902 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 864 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 974 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 961 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 993 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1004 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1000 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 936 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 958 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 931 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1012 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 560 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 972 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1004 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 478 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1009 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 550 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1015 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 968 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 928 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 1970 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 937 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 999 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 940 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 943 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 898 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 909 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 992 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 989 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 566 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 540 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1000 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 954 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 889 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1020 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 983 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 932 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 999 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1015 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 948 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1054 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 963 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 985 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 963 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 975 Views
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