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They most certainly do. Jacob Send a noteboard - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM
I know a couple stay at home dads. Ones that chose to stay at home rather than have the economy dictate it. I would have gladly chosen to stay home if my wife hadn't really, really, really wanted to... and she will be breastfeeding so she had the advantage toward the practicality of which of us stays at home after the new baby is born.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2552 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1610 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1588 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1592 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 840 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1568 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1671 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1602 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1614 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1601 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1595 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1554 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1686 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 878 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1598 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1607 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1621 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1586 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1597 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1622 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1472 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1495 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1540 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1516 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 929 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1507 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1634 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1629 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1509 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1456 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1513 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1562 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 1009 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1616 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1552 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1514 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1494 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1506 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1472 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1536 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1518 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1578 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1490 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1431 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1552 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 922 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1492 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 851 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1663 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1499 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1554 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1569 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1420 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1492 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1483 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1656 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1543 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1469 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1448 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1479 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1502 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1460 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1478 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1531 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1489 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1498 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1515 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1424 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1544 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1608 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1406 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1562 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1416 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1543 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1430 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1506 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1402 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1587 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 817 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1456 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1490 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1519 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1335 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1482 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1425 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1491 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1341 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1514 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1535 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1564 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1441 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1690 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1631 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1495 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1554 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1515 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1528 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1538 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1409 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1480 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1524 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1653 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1533 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1516 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1389 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1384 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1484 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1496 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1528 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1530 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1534 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1466 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1458 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1456 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1538 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 843 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1491 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1531 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 773 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1539 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 826 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1524 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1524 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1503 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2692 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1453 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1534 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1472 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1432 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1424 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1494 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1500 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1511 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 862 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 833 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1542 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1500 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1434 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1540 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1516 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1440 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1559 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1563 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1483 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1602 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1503 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1492 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1475 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1527 Views
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