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Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM
But it seems to me "literalism or nothing" is something of a false dichotomy. Presumably scholarship and, yes, discernment and prayer exist to help us view the Bible as the complex document it is: divinely inspired, but written by humans and thereby subject to all their foibles.

That said, I can't immediately think of any Episcopalian priests whose general theology I agree with who really issue prescriptive moral boundaries beyond the Great Commandment. Maybe Micah: do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God.

God wantiing us not to be assholes makes sense; God wanting us not to screw assholes makes rather less. Or to put it less crudely, what sort of loving being makes up arbitrary rules that don't really matter? How do people say "Well, I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality, but the Bible says it's bad, so it must be. Ways above my ways and all that"? We don't need the Bible to tell us murder is wrong. We don't need the Bible to tell us we shouldn't steal. We know these things are wrong.

To my mind, the Bible is there to show us a story of redemption and reconciliation and to give us a message of how we can be redeemed and reconciled with God. There are old rules that are part of that story, but they belong to the Hebrews, not to us. Focusing on the rules of the Bible misses the real message of it.


Sorry about the exceptionally rambling nature of this post. It's late and I'm on my phone, meaning that by the time I end a sentence I have forgotten how it began.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1478 Views
*NM* - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 344 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 382 Views
Homosexuals must die! - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1142 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 790 Views
Yay!!. - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 1054 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 433 Views
Well done. *NM* - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 381 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 1054 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 962 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 899 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 839 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 867 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 811 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 887 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1051 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 876 Views
Wow. - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 897 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 937 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 827 Views
Agreed. - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 901 Views
They did so, via negativa. - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 994 Views
Your church has a constitution?! - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 883 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 421 Views
Haha no way! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 382 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 975 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 811 Views
It is pretty common practice - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 842 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 900 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1052 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 881 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 1012 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 925 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 896 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 907 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 886 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 802 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 1002 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 933 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 1027 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 407 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 1010 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 866 Views
Read Judges. - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 874 Views
Another example... - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 797 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 858 Views
I rest my case *NM* - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 373 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 844 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 791 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 845 Views
We both know that isn't the case - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 937 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 809 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 929 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 909 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 911 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 819 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1228 Views

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