While I largely agree with your argument, I agree more with Cannoli on the NAACP.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/09/2011 07:46:06 PM
The NAACP is a lobbying organization meant to support a specific minority. Specifically, black people. So, no, they do not rally for white prisoners. That would be a blatant misuse of their funds and departure from their charter. They are the National Association for the Advancement of Colored Persons, not the Happy Happy Protest Everything That is Wrong Club.
And read up on White Privilege, sometime. White people do not NEED our own version of the NAACP... we are already living in a society where things are substantially tipped in our favor.
And his statements indicated that our society abhors the execution of a black man, where the stats clearly indicate otherwise. Perhaps he was actually in possession of those facts, you could be right, but as he reacted in a way that indicated that he was not, I assumed his ignorance, rather than his stupidity.
All of the numbers I have presented so far are from the Justice Department. I haven't been able to find any specific count of black suspects vs white suspects, which would be interesting information, but I have also found this interesting tidbit... only 50% of murder victims since 1976 have been white... and yet 75% of the murder cases that end in an execution had a white victim.
If you want to go looking for the golden stat that proves in all of this that blacks are just more "murdery" and that is not indicative at all of institutionalized prejudice, then go right ahead. The stats I've found show otherwise, strongly so, and trying to pretend that they don't matter is just willful ignorance and indicates prejudice.
As with Dark Knights ignorance, I can't KNOW that you are a racist. You could be a completely tolerant person. All I have to go by is your posts. So I could be wrong. I am open to and hopeful of that possibility.
And read up on White Privilege, sometime. White people do not NEED our own version of the NAACP... we are already living in a society where things are substantially tipped in our favor.
And his statements indicated that our society abhors the execution of a black man, where the stats clearly indicate otherwise. Perhaps he was actually in possession of those facts, you could be right, but as he reacted in a way that indicated that he was not, I assumed his ignorance, rather than his stupidity.
All of the numbers I have presented so far are from the Justice Department. I haven't been able to find any specific count of black suspects vs white suspects, which would be interesting information, but I have also found this interesting tidbit... only 50% of murder victims since 1976 have been white... and yet 75% of the murder cases that end in an execution had a white victim.
If you want to go looking for the golden stat that proves in all of this that blacks are just more "murdery" and that is not indicative at all of institutionalized prejudice, then go right ahead. The stats I've found show otherwise, strongly so, and trying to pretend that they don't matter is just willful ignorance and indicates prejudice.
As with Dark Knights ignorance, I can't KNOW that you are a racist. You could be a completely tolerant person. All I have to go by is your posts. So I could be wrong. I am open to and hopeful of that possibility.
If someone wants to form a group to advance PEOPLE, as a group, well and good; if they want to end inequality, also fine, but a group founded on the explicit goal of "advancing" one race exclusively is racially baised by definition. Whether or not whites "need" help, you know as well as I that wouldn't be the chief objection to a "Nation Association for the Advancement of White People." It would be condemned as racist, and rightly so. I see your White Privilege and raise you the Angry White Man, incensed that he cannot get a college education because he lacks the money or grades and watching impotently as various minorities with neither are actively recruited en masse by both universities and scholarship funds. We cannot end biased preferential treatment with a different flavor of biased preferential treatment.
To be fair, I really consider this more of an issue with the UNCF than with the NAACP. The NAACP has done a lot of good work and helped eliminate undeniable and extreme racial inequalities; they just chose their name poorly, IMHO. A scholarship fund entirely reserved for one (and ONLY one) race, however, is a lot harder to get behind; I would not be surprised to learn there are equivalent ones for white students but there are none treated as a civic virtue. Again, if we want to help people who belong in college but lack the means, that IS a laudable goal, but it is hard to deny that restricting that aid to members of a single race is itself racist.
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i'm proud to live in a country where you can be executed based on circumstantial evidence...
- 22/09/2011 04:06:07 PM
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And yet the Supreme Court didn't stop it. You're a lawyer right?
- 22/09/2011 04:19:05 PM
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Well, that right there was an ignorant thing to say.
- 22/09/2011 04:32:49 PM
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But they get all the media attention
- 22/09/2011 04:45:03 PM
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Cameron Todd Willingham is white, and his story is a national one since Perry is running for Pres
- 23/09/2011 03:41:52 PM
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those numbers are less schocking when you consider that blacks commet a lot more murders *NM*
- 22/09/2011 05:43:51 PM
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And this is a typically illogical argument.
- 22/09/2011 11:11:48 PM
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You're kidding, right?
- 23/09/2011 02:55:44 PM
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Re: You're kidding, right?
- 23/09/2011 07:36:38 PM
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Juror bias. *NM*
- 23/09/2011 08:35:10 PM
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Your evidence for that? *NM*
- 23/09/2011 11:33:58 PM
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Twenty-one years of life in the American South.
- 24/09/2011 12:40:10 AM
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Of course I'm interested
- 24/09/2011 04:03:51 AM
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From me being too involved with the subject material. I apologize.
- 24/09/2011 11:16:06 AM
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While I largely agree with your argument, I agree more with Cannoli on the NAACP.
- 23/09/2011 07:46:06 PM
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Huh.
- 22/09/2011 04:47:20 PM
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That jumped out at me too.
- 22/09/2011 04:50:52 PM
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What really confuses me
- 22/09/2011 04:58:32 PM
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That's a good question and I really wish it would be addressed.
- 22/09/2011 05:05:40 PM
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Re: That's a good question and I really wish it would be addressed.
- 22/09/2011 05:21:59 PM
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If the original trial is shown to be flawed that's supposed to require a new trial.
- 22/09/2011 08:25:51 PM
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Well...
- 22/09/2011 05:18:54 PM
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So if I understand you correctly...
- 22/09/2011 05:23:00 PM
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Yes, that is correct. And proving witness coercion is likely to be difficult if not impossible. *NM*
- 22/09/2011 05:30:37 PM
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it is only confusing because the evidence isn't really that shaky
- 22/09/2011 08:54:21 PM
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If I understand the Supreme Court correctly, the reason they denied the stay of execution was
- 22/09/2011 08:25:14 PM
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I completely support the Death Penalty without question.....
- 22/09/2011 08:27:54 PM
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Unreasonable doubt is impossible to eliminate.
- 22/09/2011 09:54:43 PM
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Doubt can be eliminated.....any question about Dalmer?
- 23/09/2011 01:00:52 PM
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Maybe he was framed by an enemy, government conspiracy or aliens.
- 23/09/2011 01:54:21 PM
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Jigga what? 
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- 23/09/2011 03:36:07 PM
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- 23/09/2011 03:36:07 PM
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"I do not know if I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly or am now a butterfly..."
- 23/09/2011 06:50:34 PM
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Circumstantial evidence is not, I believe, a bar to conviction.
- 22/09/2011 09:43:56 PM
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Regarding the salvation thing, that is an argument FOR the death penalty, in my mind.
- 22/09/2011 11:37:16 PM
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That motive is seflish and thus fatal.
- 23/09/2011 01:17:00 AM
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Bullshit
- 25/09/2011 03:53:05 AM
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Where do YOU get the idea that imperfect contrition is good enough?
- 25/09/2011 02:29:18 PM
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Thank God you're not an evangelist.
- 23/09/2011 02:59:06 PM
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And I pity the souls you have ministered to. They're in for a rude shock at their judgement
- 25/09/2011 04:01:05 AM
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lol roman catholicism *NM*
- 25/09/2011 04:39:55 AM
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Not just Roman Catholics, y'know, everyone who thinks God was not BSing about judgement.
- 25/09/2011 09:47:12 PM
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lol hellfire and brimstone *NM*
- 26/09/2011 12:12:28 AM
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I suppose in a consequences free world everything is a source of amusement.
- 26/09/2011 12:33:14 AM
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You really don't understand irony, do you? Particularly as it applies to your post about this case.
- 22/09/2011 11:26:49 PM
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- 23/09/2011 08:21:38 AM
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A list of anecdotal wrongs does not prove anything. If convictions can be wrong, so can exonerations *NM*
- 25/09/2011 04:03:26 AM
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sorry if i don't have time to link to every 
thing i've read on the subject
- 23/09/2011 02:54:50 PM
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thing i've read on the subject
- 23/09/2011 02:54:50 PM
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Well I would think you would have picked an article that offers some iota of proof of his innocence.
- 25/09/2011 04:14:45 AM
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Well, I wouldn't call eyewitness accounts circumstancial evidence.
- 23/09/2011 11:45:48 PM
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Nor would I, but I've heard that lawyers say, "an eye witness is the worst witness you can have."
- 25/09/2011 03:23:53 PM
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