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joel, you need to consider three things moondog Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 06:06:16 AM
1. sopa/pipa is going to change copyright infringement from what is currently a civil infraction, punishable by a maximum penalty of $150k (US) for the worst infringements into a felony with a jail term of 5 years. plus, they are changing the definition of what is meant by infringement to include sites which offer streaming services such as youtube, hulu, etc. this is not sustainable and impractical to properly police.

2. if the DNS provisions pass (which thankfully it looks like they won't -- yet), the internet as we know it will cease to exist and be replaced by the internet as brought to you by rupert murdoch, the mpaa/riaa, and the current US attorney general. if one of the groups involved in writing this bill gets their way, you won't be able to go to websites they don't want you to see, end of story. the attorney general has the power to pull the DNS for any website he/she deems to be infringing. how long before this power extends to websites he/she does not want the public to see? tell me you think the government will restrain itself with such power at its disposal?

3. the DNS provisions will essentially do the same thing as malware that redirects your search results to malicious websites. only this time, the redirection is controlled by the federal government by the attorney general's command. this is almost exactly bringing the "great firewall of china" to the US. and all because hollywood is trying to pretend they're missing out on all this money. money which they have never statistically proven they are actually missing out on, and money which for some reason hasn't stopped them from posting substantial profits every year. ask yourself why the US government is protecting the business model of this industry, and what purpose the government has for propping up the industry in such a way.

the whole thing is beyond "hackers/pirates versus law abiding citizens". the whole thing is literally going to destroy the internet as we currently know it and put the absolute control of how the internet works into the attorney general's hands forever. you really need to read up on (a) the contents of sopa/pipa and (b) how DNS works, specifically how DNS "poisoning" works. then come back and re-read your replies in this thread and see how wrong you are.
"The RIAA has shown a certain disregard for the creative people of the industry in their eagerness to protect the revenues of the record companies." -- Frank Zappa

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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2401 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 1220 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 1312 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1421 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 1280 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1374 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 767 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 741 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 1079 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 732 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 1248 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 1272 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 1173 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 1273 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 1296 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 1290 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 1279 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 1335 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 873 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 1197 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 673 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 1145 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 1218 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 1218 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1376 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 1124 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 1278 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 1128 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 1260 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 1152 Views
Re: There still seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 10:27:32 PM 1422 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 1184 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 1200 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 1179 Views
joel, you need to consider three things - 18/01/2012 06:06:16 AM 1249 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 1175 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1409 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 1161 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 1175 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 1209 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 1033 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 1247 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 1163 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 1147 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 1289 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 1034 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 1306 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 1158 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 1223 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 1253 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 1283 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 1233 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 1153 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 731 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 724 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1385 Views
Hm, you should read my post one above about combatting online piracy. - 18/01/2012 06:20:16 PM 1324 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 1179 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 796 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 1152 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 778 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 642 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 773 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 573 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 1260 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 1202 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 1251 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 1297 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 1279 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1356 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 1267 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 1217 Views

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