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There seems to be some overlap. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM
Because all of your posts include random tangents about "hacking the Pentagon." SOPA and PIPA have nothing to do with that. SOPA stands for "Stop Online Piracy Act."

You really ought to educate yourself on this bill before commenting on its necessity and inevitability.

Mainly because of the issues of data access, site removal and the emphasis on "foreign" sites. It boils down to accessing and disseminating proprietary data, which includes that under commercial copyright, but also a host of other proprietary data that is or can be accessed and distributed by the same people using the same illegal means, from bank PINs to weapons schematics. The main difference is how much criminal prosecution already possible in those last two examples.

In terms of the means and intermediary sites involved, however, many of the same principles apply. I am not sure what, if any, legal repercussions there would be a to a site or its operators if it "facilitated" people obtaining or distributing the blueprints for an MX missile, but under the proposed legislation would impose significant criminal penalties for that as surely as for facilitating mpeg downloads.

As far as the necessity, the ease with which I CAN (NOT have) already obtain copyrighted material online at no cost establishes that.

As far as inevitability, establishing that is more a matter of researching public knowledge than these specific bills.

Again, I did NOT say these specific bills are inevitable; I said A new law is inevitable, which it is, for all the above reasons.
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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2353 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 1181 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 1264 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1375 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 1233 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1335 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 736 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 715 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 1041 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 707 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 1212 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 1226 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 1134 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 1228 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 1250 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 1250 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 1238 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 1276 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 846 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 1155 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 647 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 1107 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 1173 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 1174 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1334 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 1082 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 1233 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 1088 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 1212 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 1110 Views
Re: There still seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 10:27:32 PM 1375 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 1136 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 1159 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 1131 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 1129 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1368 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 1114 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 1129 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 1165 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 990 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 1205 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 1125 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 1099 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 1216 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 991 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 1250 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 1121 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 1178 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 1208 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 1244 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 1192 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 1117 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 705 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 696 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1339 Views
Hm, you should read my post one above about combatting online piracy. - 18/01/2012 06:20:16 PM 1275 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 1137 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 767 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 1109 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 753 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 617 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 746 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 552 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 1211 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 1153 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 1208 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 1256 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 1235 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1311 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 1229 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 1177 Views

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