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The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 03:31:20 PM
Picture a giant outdoor wall. Or, even better, thousands of them, in varying sizes.

Anyone can post whatever they want up there, generally- the wall space is there, they just have to make the poster. If someone posts something particularly awful, then police figure out who posted it, arrest them, and take down the offending poster.

What these bills do is put the onus of the policing on whoever owns the wall.

So, instead of having a big, public wall where people can put up their posters, now each owner of every wall will have to examine every poster that goes up, make sure it conforms to any number of dozens, hundreds, of different rules, and then finally put it up. If the owner doesn't do this, he will get fined, maybe worse.

In this analogy, the posters are ANYTHING you post on the web, ANYWHERE. Links, pictures, videos, text.

Which, you might say, is OK. Things people post should be regulated. Except the extent and scope of these bills are insane. It's like saying that, to prevent anyone from shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater, every single person should have to carry a recorder that monitors what they say.

The internet is heavily, HEAVILY dependent on user content. RAFO is an example- we come here to read the posts, and also post our own things. How would it be if our admin had to manually sift through every single thing we post?
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Of course, it probably wouldn't happen like that. What WOULD happen is, the Internet would turn into Youtube. Do you know much about Youtube's policies?

Basically, Youtube has to deal with thousands of banned videos a day. Sometimes it's porn, sometimes it's copyrighted content, sometimes it's something else. The point is, there is SO MUCH of it that, whenever someone registers a complaint, it is essentially yanked off of the site immediately. There's no way to stop it, and appealing it is a HUGE headache.

Youtube isn't the Evil Empire, of course- it's just a business. And even though it's part of a big corporation, it just doesn't have the manpower to manually review every challenge and make a thoughtful, measured decision. Plus, the risk is too high- do they really want to be sued by NBC over the definition of "fair use?"

That is what the internet would turn into. Big sites, like Youtube, could handle it, though they'd likely get a bit more draconian. Little sites would dry up, because they wouldn't be able to afford the kind of intense regulation the bills require.

Even Congress concedes that. I DO think the onus should be on sites to control what goes through their pipes, but also agree there should be a limit to that onus, one that stops well short of effectively disconnecting them if they happen to miss something. The appropriate response would be a process by which offending content would be removed, subject to independent oversight. Part of the problem here is that we already have a law very close to that (the main difference is the lack of independent oversight,) its inadequacy to the task motivated the pending legislation and the same people who are most critical of the pending legislation are highly critical of that inadequate laws "censorship."

It is hard to take critics of the pending legislation seriously when they argue the existing law that does not do enough actually does too much.

As with so much of government, the bottom line remains: Tell them what they SHOULD do instead of what they should NOT do.
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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2050 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 877 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 988 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1066 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 934 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1041 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 605 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 586 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 772 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 595 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 929 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 933 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 891 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 927 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 946 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 950 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 966 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 988 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 721 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 864 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 526 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 812 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 874 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 890 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1030 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 815 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 954 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 796 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 917 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 791 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 818 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 866 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 844 Views
The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. - 18/01/2012 03:31:20 PM 853 Views
Re: The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. - 18/01/2012 04:27:30 PM 896 Views
If the US government wants to summarily block sites within the US, it already can and will. - 18/01/2012 06:15:53 PM 837 Views
NO - you are still wrong on this point - 19/01/2012 02:38:14 AM 842 Views
Power, or authority? - 19/01/2012 03:41:24 PM 916 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 823 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1084 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 856 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 855 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 878 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 703 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 930 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 850 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 829 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 877 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 702 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 965 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 808 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 885 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 929 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 963 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 896 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 803 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 578 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 558 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1039 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 822 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 644 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 831 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 613 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 492 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 609 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 432 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 951 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 884 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 949 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 978 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 930 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1035 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 916 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 875 Views

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