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Re: Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience ironclad Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 06:45:02 PM
Anecdotal evidence, but then so was yours. Hell a lot of people used to carrying weapons tend to reach for them even when they don't have them on, I still sometimes do. A gun is a mental security blanket. Now, let me say more importantly that this is not proper debate, we do not use anecdotal evidence, we use science and reason when trying to press facts. If you want to assert people in a panic forget they have a gun, check. Run a study, either a very large one to grab a decent sized sample of concealed carry, or just do cops or soldiers. Bring them in ostensibly for something else, like their favorite soda or whatever, and in the middle of it with video running drop a flashbang in the room or hit the stereo on full volume or whatever and see what percentage reach for their gun. That would tell you what percentage of folks who carry weapons tend to react when startled by reaching for it. That won't tell you how many would react to a shooter, presumably more will reach for a gun during a 1-5 second period after their brain screams 'homicidal lunatic with gun' though I daresay the 'with gun' bit is even more likely to set off 'Gun! Gun! Oh, yeah, I've got a gun too'. Also, I think the weight of common sense is that once a person has a hand on their weapon they are very likely to begin including opening fire on their list of responses. Regardless, you can't just make assertions like that as fact, especially if disputed, these things need testing.


And how the hell is all that supposed to be any comfort when every kid on the street who aims with a toy gun has to fear the guys who always wear a real one and are quick to draw it as an instinct?
Unbelievable.
*MySmiley*

You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.
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Do you have strong feelings/opinions about gun control? - 25/07/2012 05:48:56 AM 1540 Views
Kind of? - 25/07/2012 05:59:39 AM 991 Views
Agreed - 25/07/2012 06:20:44 AM 873 Views
Re: Agreed - 25/07/2012 06:29:16 AM 978 Views
A lot of people are uncomfortable about homsexuality. Let's ban that too. - 25/07/2012 09:26:46 PM 972 Views
Feisty. - 25/07/2012 09:54:31 PM 1093 Views
I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything - 25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM 905 Views
I am mostly in agreement with you. - 26/07/2012 02:11:56 AM 775 Views
Fully automatic weapons are already forbidden, aren't they? - 27/07/2012 02:19:57 AM 897 Views
Pretty strong (as someone born, raised and living outside the US) - 25/07/2012 11:23:52 AM 988 Views
I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. - 25/07/2012 11:41:13 AM 1041 Views
Re: I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. - 25/07/2012 01:21:36 PM 952 Views
Inevitable thread, but mostly I feel people enters this debate without knowing enough about guns - 25/07/2012 02:05:12 PM 1147 Views
I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM 1063 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM 923 Views
Re: - 25/07/2012 03:30:44 PM 964 Views
Okay, that makes no sense - 25/07/2012 04:32:28 PM 970 Views
Re: Re: - 25/07/2012 05:50:23 PM 1002 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. - 25/07/2012 10:48:46 PM 1005 Views
I understand, but you probably should if time permits - 25/07/2012 03:49:49 PM 1114 Views
It is unlikely to, for a while. - 25/07/2012 10:37:30 PM 1010 Views
Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though - 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM 937 Views
... his was shorter? - 26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM 864 Views
Yeah but mine had diagrams! - 26/07/2012 03:46:49 PM 941 Views
I do sometimes need pictures. - 26/07/2012 04:55:17 PM 790 Views
Re: I do sometimes need pictures. - 26/07/2012 04:57:57 PM 941 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2012 05:23:11 PM 451 Views
Where exactly did you get those numbers? - 27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM 956 Views
He's right as far as numbers go. - 27/07/2012 08:08:02 PM 999 Views
Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation - 27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM 1033 Views
Sorry, I totally forgot about this post, hadn't noticed your replies. - 31/07/2012 07:42:43 PM 954 Views
I'm not surprised there were missing incidents - 31/07/2012 08:18:04 PM 922 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents - 31/07/2012 09:14:34 PM 895 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents - 31/07/2012 11:56:05 PM 1063 Views
Norway? Scotland? - 25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM 890 Views
You can keep this up - 25/07/2012 09:56:28 PM 899 Views
Hi, Cannoli. - 25/07/2012 10:30:56 PM 901 Views
well it could have at least double posted the edited version - 26/07/2012 10:40:32 PM 850 Views
Most of those numbers come from inner city violence - 26/07/2012 10:40:34 PM 1083 Views
Re: Hi, Cannoli. - 09/08/2012 09:07:03 PM 988 Views
The UK tightened gun laws after the Dunblane massacre. - 25/07/2012 10:58:08 PM 854 Views
I have no problem with guns, but I agree that assault weapons shouldn't be legal for ordinary people - 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM 993 Views
Re: guns - 25/07/2012 03:07:30 PM 1005 Views
what is the basis for your argument that people would have panicked and forgotten their guns? - 25/07/2012 04:45:46 PM 863 Views
My basis is that people are people - subject to panic, confusion, and fear. *NM* - 25/07/2012 05:46:58 PM 508 Views
Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience - 25/07/2012 06:14:57 PM 918 Views
Re: Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience - 25/07/2012 06:45:02 PM 1018 Views
The problem with banning assualt weapons is the defention is mostly cosmetic - 25/07/2012 05:29:35 PM 869 Views
Bullshit - 26/07/2012 01:52:59 PM 1009 Views
I call Bullshit on your Bullshit - 26/07/2012 02:59:09 PM 926 Views
Or - 26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM 833 Views
There a lot of us with military training and some were in that theater - 26/07/2012 03:43:52 PM 845 Views
HE was talking about normal people. - 26/07/2012 04:53:16 PM 979 Views
I think we are talking past each other - 26/07/2012 05:55:48 PM 931 Views
Possibly. We do do that. - 26/07/2012 06:52:58 PM 950 Views
In addition to random thoughts's points... - 26/07/2012 03:10:56 PM 881 Views
You're partially right but mostly wrong - 26/07/2012 05:46:27 PM 930 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong.... - 25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM 1093 Views
You're wrong - 25/07/2012 04:37:22 PM 862 Views
Yes. - 25/07/2012 05:09:36 PM 861 Views
Yes and I am glad it's not my problem. - 25/07/2012 06:41:56 PM 990 Views
Dude, your burglary argument makes no sense - 25/07/2012 11:09:37 PM 894 Views
It makes lots of sense, actually. - 25/07/2012 11:55:59 PM 900 Views
They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM* - 26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM 445 Views
they don't typically bring guns here either - 26/07/2012 02:01:14 AM 1003 Views
That's how I understand it too but I'm dubious, many criminals are dumber than a bag of hammers - 26/07/2012 02:22:18 AM 856 Views
Ha! - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 PM 777 Views
One of my Marine friends became a Fort Worth cop when he got out - 26/07/2012 03:11:12 PM 975 Views
You get some wild stories - 26/07/2012 06:09:52 PM 973 Views
Like I've always said, you can't un-invent the gun - 25/07/2012 11:05:22 PM 864 Views
Agreed. It's really a lot like health care, in a way. - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 AM 970 Views
Sure, but you can legislate certain excessive firearms. - 26/07/2012 09:41:12 PM 957 Views
assault rifles are banned - 26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM 903 Views
Touchy - 28/07/2012 04:33:46 AM 1086 Views

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