He was well enough lit that people could describe what he looked like and what he was wearing. From what I have heard he was standing directly in front of the screen so he would have been lit by the projector. Also the muzzle blast from his guns would have made it pretty easy to know where to shoot. I have been in room full of tear gas on multiple occasions and yes it does burn your eyes but it doesn't keep you from being able to see. Since he was standing right next to smoke it have been more of a problem for him than me because the mask doesn't make it easy to see through smoke. It would have spread fairly slowly so unless I were near it I would have time to gets off some shots before the gas got too bad and if I was that close I wouldn't need to see that well to hit him. If you had been trained with tear gas like most members of military have you might even have enough common sense to hold your breath or at least breathe through your shirt. The gas would be a complication but not an insurmountable problem.
As for the vest while I am probably above average in my marksmanship skills my skills are not extraordinary or all that uncommon and would I like my odds of getting in an incapacitating shot with one of the 15 rounds in my 9mm. Even if all 15 rounds went into the vest, which they wouldn't, the distractions might have been enough to let more people get through the door. Since I wouldn't have fired all 15 at once 3 rounds to the chest would have stumbled him if he got back up I would try for head shots or maybe even just shoot his legs. I doubt he would have ignored having his knee cap blown off. Hell since he didn’t appear to want to die for all we know he would have fled as soon as he realized someone was shooting back, he sure didn’t try fighting the cops. I bet I would be a better shot with my 9mm standing in the seats than he would be with that 100 round drum and a gasmask. Ever fired with a gasmask on? Odds are he hadn’t either. I have been trained to fire wearing one and I still can't shit with one on. So while I can't garuntee I could have stopped if had been there armed the idea that I wouldn't have stood a chance is misguided at best and either way I will take the 9mm over throwing my popcorn at him and trying to decide if laying on the floor and praying gives me better odds than trying fight the mob trying to get out the door.
I have seen several people making the same half assed arguments you are making and they all come down to nothing more than people who have no idea what they are talking making shit up because they the answer they get when they jus tmake shit up and in most cases they don’t really care because they are just trying to leverage this tragedy into promoting a political agenda. The real problem with guns isn’t crazy people who shoot up theaters it is thugs and sociopaths who shoot up neighborhoods and morons who don’t have enough common sense to properly secure their weapons.
As for the vest while I am probably above average in my marksmanship skills my skills are not extraordinary or all that uncommon and would I like my odds of getting in an incapacitating shot with one of the 15 rounds in my 9mm. Even if all 15 rounds went into the vest, which they wouldn't, the distractions might have been enough to let more people get through the door. Since I wouldn't have fired all 15 at once 3 rounds to the chest would have stumbled him if he got back up I would try for head shots or maybe even just shoot his legs. I doubt he would have ignored having his knee cap blown off. Hell since he didn’t appear to want to die for all we know he would have fled as soon as he realized someone was shooting back, he sure didn’t try fighting the cops. I bet I would be a better shot with my 9mm standing in the seats than he would be with that 100 round drum and a gasmask. Ever fired with a gasmask on? Odds are he hadn’t either. I have been trained to fire wearing one and I still can't shit with one on. So while I can't garuntee I could have stopped if had been there armed the idea that I wouldn't have stood a chance is misguided at best and either way I will take the 9mm over throwing my popcorn at him and trying to decide if laying on the floor and praying gives me better odds than trying fight the mob trying to get out the door.
I have seen several people making the same half assed arguments you are making and they all come down to nothing more than people who have no idea what they are talking making shit up because they the answer they get when they jus tmake shit up and in most cases they don’t really care because they are just trying to leverage this tragedy into promoting a political agenda. The real problem with guns isn’t crazy people who shoot up theaters it is thugs and sociopaths who shoot up neighborhoods and morons who don’t have enough common sense to properly secure their weapons.
Do you have strong feelings/opinions about gun control?
- 25/07/2012 05:48:56 AM
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Kind of?
- 25/07/2012 05:59:39 AM
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Agreed
- 25/07/2012 06:20:44 AM
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Re: Agreed
- 25/07/2012 06:29:16 AM
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A lot of people are uncomfortable about homsexuality. Let's ban that too.
- 25/07/2012 09:26:46 PM
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I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything
- 25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM
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Pretty strong (as someone born, raised and living outside the US)
- 25/07/2012 11:23:52 AM
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Inevitable thread, but mostly I feel people enters this debate without knowing enough about guns
- 25/07/2012 02:05:12 PM
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I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry.
- 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM
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- 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM
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Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry.
- 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM
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- 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM
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Re:
- 25/07/2012 03:30:44 PM
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My dad's gun were stolen and the police said they didn't need to even take fingerprints
- 25/07/2012 06:58:36 PM
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I understand, but you probably should if time permits
- 25/07/2012 03:49:49 PM
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It is unlikely to, for a while.
- 25/07/2012 10:37:30 PM
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Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though
- 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM
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- 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM
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... his was shorter?
- 26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM
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Yeah but mine had diagrams!
- 26/07/2012 03:46:49 PM
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I do sometimes need pictures.
- 26/07/2012 04:55:17 PM
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Where exactly did you get those numbers?
- 27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM
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Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation
- 27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM
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Sorry, I totally forgot about this post, hadn't noticed your replies.
- 31/07/2012 07:42:43 PM
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I'm not surprised there were missing incidents
- 31/07/2012 08:18:04 PM
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Norway? Scotland?
- 25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM
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And yet, the people who do these things tend to be more respectful of guns
- 25/07/2012 03:44:31 PM
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Well working with dangeorus items tends to lead to respect and caution or a Darwin Award
- 25/07/2012 04:52:13 PM
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I have no problem with guns, but I agree that assault weapons shouldn't be legal for ordinary people
- 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM
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Re: guns
- 25/07/2012 03:07:30 PM
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what is the basis for your argument that people would have panicked and forgotten their guns?
- 25/07/2012 04:45:46 PM
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My basis is that people are people - subject to panic, confusion, and fear. *NM*
- 25/07/2012 05:46:58 PM
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Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience
- 25/07/2012 06:14:57 PM
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Re: Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience
- 25/07/2012 06:45:02 PM
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Putting your hand on something is a little different then shooting someone
- 25/07/2012 08:13:59 PM
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The problem with banning assualt weapons is the defention is mostly cosmetic
- 25/07/2012 05:29:35 PM
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Bullshit
- 26/07/2012 01:52:59 PM
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I call Bullshit on your Bullshit
- 26/07/2012 02:59:09 PM
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Or
- 26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM
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There a lot of us with military training and some were in that theater
- 26/07/2012 03:43:52 PM
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HE was talking about normal people.
- 26/07/2012 04:53:16 PM
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i have pretty strong feelings that they should be better regulated than they currently are
- 25/07/2012 03:18:10 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong....
- 25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM
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I believe it was the ammunition he bought in large amounts online, not the guns themselves.
- 25/07/2012 07:22:31 PM
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Yes and I am glad it's not my problem.
- 25/07/2012 06:41:56 PM
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Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant
- 25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM
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Come back when you can discuss something without attacking someone.
- 26/07/2012 12:58:47 AM
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Dude, your burglary argument makes no sense
- 25/07/2012 11:09:37 PM
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They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM
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they don't typically bring guns here either
- 26/07/2012 02:01:14 AM
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That's how I understand it too but I'm dubious, many criminals are dumber than a bag of hammers
- 26/07/2012 02:22:18 AM
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Like I've always said, you can't un-invent the gun
- 25/07/2012 11:05:22 PM
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the argument of if America should have a lot guns is a long over
- 26/07/2012 03:29:50 PM
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See, there's another one of those BS stats tricks, 'family members' includes suicides and murder
- 26/07/2012 06:47:54 PM
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Sure, but you can legislate certain excessive firearms.
- 26/07/2012 09:41:12 PM
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assault rifles are banned
- 26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM
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I know the distinction. That's why I want a more clearly defined term for "assault weapon."
- 27/07/2012 09:46:11 AM
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Then stay away from the hyperbole because an Uzi is a sub machinegun so it is banned
- 27/07/2012 01:48:50 PM
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