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Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then Cannoli Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM
This looks like another one of those plays like the Tuck Rule play - to all appearances and common sense it's BS, but by the strict letter of NFL rules, it was correctly called. All too often in cases of contested possession, it comes down to whoever has it last. Tate had hands on the ball, before and after landing in the end zone, it never touched the ground, so it does not matter what the Green Bay player was doing.


tate did not get his hands on it until *after* jennings caught the ball. in fact, you can see tate try to get a better grip after jennings is coming down to the ground. the rule is that if one player (jennings) gains control first, the other player cannot claim possession.

all that being said, i did not expect the refs to reverse the call once it was ruled a TD. that would have required an understanding of the NFL rulebook which they did not exhibit throughout the game, so it's no surprise to me they would not overrule themselves after blowing it so badly to begin with.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 761 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 912 Views
Link? Clip? - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 887 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 547 Views
Here's a link. - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 967 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 784 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 1017 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 970 Views
youtube link - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 1014 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 862 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 1140 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1469 Views
watch a better replay if you can - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 927 Views
Have now; still not convinced. - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 987 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 983 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 936 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 450 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 1076 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 468 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 836 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 1062 Views
Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 1072 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 981 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 900 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 1075 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 978 Views
The last call was a joke. - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 927 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 981 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 927 Views
Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM 936 Views
They can't reverse that call. - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 1011 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 1010 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 573 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 488 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 468 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 895 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 457 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 866 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 945 Views
As a Seahawks fan. - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 897 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 440 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 420 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 1008 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 809 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1237 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1241 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 939 Views
Think so, yeah. - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 1067 Views
from another angle -- pun intended - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 897 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 1104 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 1134 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 936 Views
did you even read that article??? - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 951 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1487 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 1053 Views
That is not an argument. - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 850 Views

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