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Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then Cannoli Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM
This looks like another one of those plays like the Tuck Rule play - to all appearances and common sense it's BS, but by the strict letter of NFL rules, it was correctly called. All too often in cases of contested possession, it comes down to whoever has it last. Tate had hands on the ball, before and after landing in the end zone, it never touched the ground, so it does not matter what the Green Bay player was doing.


tate did not get his hands on it until *after* jennings caught the ball. in fact, you can see tate try to get a better grip after jennings is coming down to the ground. the rule is that if one player (jennings) gains control first, the other player cannot claim possession.

all that being said, i did not expect the refs to reverse the call once it was ruled a TD. that would have required an understanding of the NFL rulebook which they did not exhibit throughout the game, so it's no surprise to me they would not overrule themselves after blowing it so badly to begin with.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 726 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 841 Views
Link? Clip? - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 801 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 517 Views
Here's a link. - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 896 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 720 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 945 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 904 Views
youtube link - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 928 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 798 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 1071 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1401 Views
watch a better replay if you can - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 859 Views
Have now; still not convinced. - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 915 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 919 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 857 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 419 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 1006 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 434 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 772 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 981 Views
Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 1000 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 898 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 820 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 984 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 911 Views
The last call was a joke. - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 861 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 916 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 868 Views
Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM 862 Views
They can't reverse that call. - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 946 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 938 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 541 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 453 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 417 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 833 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 421 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 786 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 876 Views
As a Seahawks fan. - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 829 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 401 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 386 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 930 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 733 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1165 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1171 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 836 Views
Think so, yeah. - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 996 Views
from another angle -- pun intended - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 834 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 1026 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 1065 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 875 Views
did you even read that article??? - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 873 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1327 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 981 Views
That is not an argument. - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 776 Views

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