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Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM
Even if I conceded your position Tate never had possession till they came down (which I do not,) strips happen all the time in football, and no one ever said, "no, the other player already had, and therefore cannot loose, possession." Until now. From the few shots I have seen I am not even sure Jennings would have been ruled down after the catch (since it looks like everything but his feet was either in the air or on top of Tate,) and even if he HAD uncontested possession initially (which, again, I do not concede,) Tate would still legally be able to strip him until Jennings was down and the play finished.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 736 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 865 Views
Link? Clip? Joel - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 823 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 526 Views
Here's a link. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 920 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 742 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 974 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 927 Views
youtube link Orange - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 955 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. Joel - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 820 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened moondog - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 1093 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1424 Views
watch a better replay if you can moondog - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 883 Views
Have now; still not convinced. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 942 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong moondog - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 944 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* Joel - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 876 Views
also, the pass interference on tate that wasn't called is clear at 0:56 in that clip moondog - 25/09/2012 11:27:36 AM 911 Views
Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM 853 Views
watch a better replay and get back to me on this one. moondog - 26/09/2012 02:36:43 AM 897 Views
Where did the NFL head office acknowledge that? Joel - 26/09/2012 03:52:36 AM 984 Views
in their official response to the whole incident....? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:14:52 AM 1120 Views
Fair enough then; the NFLs official position is that offensive PI should have been called. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:45:58 AM 913 Views
Yeah, if one hand counts as possession Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:15:37 PM 906 Views
new rule: catch the guy who caught the ball -- score a TD *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 12:10:05 AM 447 Views
Left hand between Jennings' arms and on the ball; right was outside Jennings' arm and on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:38:28 AM 839 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 427 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 1028 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* Dark Knight - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 443 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 786 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 1011 Views
Now I really want to see this play. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 1021 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 926 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 845 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 1018 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 937 Views
The last call was a joke. Orange - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 884 Views
You might appreciate learning that the Lingerie Football League fired some of these refs Larry - 25/09/2012 07:19:37 AM 930 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year Cannoli - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 933 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... moondog - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 891 Views
Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then Cannoli - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM 886 Views
he had nothing until they landed and he tried to pull it away. everyone but you agrees on this *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 03:25:43 PM 416 Views
Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM 866 Views
They can't reverse that call. Aemon - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 967 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete moondog - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 963 Views
It was very obviously caught; you can't rule that incomplete. Aemon - 25/09/2012 11:06:17 PM 861 Views
my philosophy is "interception = incomplete" but i think that's only for stats purposes moondog - 26/09/2012 12:32:43 AM 824 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 550 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 463 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 427 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... Nate - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 855 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 432 Views
I have seen enough of it, and while I did not write Cannolis response, I easily could have. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:06:45 AM 885 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 815 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 900 Views
As a Seahawks fan. Stephen - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 856 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* Palatine - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 412 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 395 Views
Slightly (very) loopy yet entertaining piece on why Ayn Rand is to blame for all of this. Stephen - 25/09/2012 05:38:12 PM 833 Views
She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM 855 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 955 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 753 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? moondog - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1192 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1194 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 865 Views
Think so, yeah. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 1020 Views
from another angle -- pun intended moondog - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 854 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? Joel - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 1047 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* moondog - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 1092 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. Joel - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 895 Views
did you even read that article??? moondog - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 899 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." Joel - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1361 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong moondog - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 1005 Views
That is not an argument. Joel - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 799 Views
Worst calls are made all the time by the regular officials. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 01:23:57 AM 867 Views
yes, but not usually more than one per game, certainly not several in a single weekend.... *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 02:39:56 AM 432 Views
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