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I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM
It does not look like his left hand was between Jennings' in the second shot, but it is impossible to know where it was a moment earlier/later. I stand by "simultaneous."

you said "good ol' strip" in an earlier comment. if that's the case, packers ball and win. either way, it was still not a simultaneous catch. everyone who has seen that replay, including marshawn lynch, think it was a blown call.

It was not a strip IF possession was simultaneous, obviously (because Tate always had possession, so there was no need for a strip.) However, even IF Jennings had indisputable sole possession, THEN we would be forced to consider whether he was ever down before Tate got the ball away, and I am not sure he was.

Between the two it is impossible to call that an unambiguous interception, and we are also speaking with the benefit of slow-mo replays the refs on the field did not have. In their place, based on what I saw in real time on the field, I would have made the same call, and this is one of those cases where a call—ANY call, be it Int or TD—is impossible to overturn once made, because no replay provides the necessary incontrovertible evidence. Many people (and I am not saying you are among them) have the mistaken idea bad calls do not matter as much now because they can be fixed on replay, but since replay reversal requires incontrovertible evidence, that is simply not the case.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 706 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 791 Views
Link? Clip? - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 748 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 466 Views
Here's a link. - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 849 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 666 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 895 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 852 Views
youtube link - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 869 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 750 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 1016 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1357 Views
watch a better replay if you can - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 815 Views
Have now; still not convinced. - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 860 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 870 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 812 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 395 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 965 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 414 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 730 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 936 Views
Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 942 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 850 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 771 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 916 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 850 Views
The last call was a joke. - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 803 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 869 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 815 Views
They can't reverse that call. - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 899 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 878 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 525 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 430 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 395 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 787 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 401 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 737 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 828 Views
As a Seahawks fan. - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 783 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 378 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 365 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 881 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 684 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1116 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1117 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 791 Views
Think so, yeah. - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 947 Views
from another angle -- pun intended - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 787 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 977 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 1017 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 831 Views
did you even read that article??? - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 835 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1197 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 929 Views
That is not an argument. - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 732 Views

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