Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM
Automobile insurance is a legal contract. However, if I choose to purchase a boat I can't get coverage under such a policy. By your reasoning automobile insurance violates the Constitution; it doesn't.
The contract has qualifying features, if you do not meet the qualifying features, you are not eligible for that contract. If you want that contract, all you have top do is meet the qualifications. IF those qualifications are writen in such a way that they are impossible to meet by a "protected" group (don't get em started on the stupidity, and unconstitutionality, of protecting certain groups more than others) then you would have an equal protections argument, but that situation does not avail itself here. As long as every man (and every woman) has the exact same opportunity to enter into the legal status of "married" as everybody else does, then there is no discrimination.
"..but I don't WANT that type of marriage..." Is not justification for discrimination.
I may only have $30, but I don't WANT a Yugo, I want a Porche!!! is not an example of a car dealership discriminatiing against you, just one that overcharges for Yugos.
The contract has qualifying features, if you do not meet the qualifying features, you are not eligible for that contract. If you want that contract, all you have top do is meet the qualifications. IF those qualifications are writen in such a way that they are impossible to meet by a "protected" group (don't get em started on the stupidity, and unconstitutionality, of protecting certain groups more than others) then you would have an equal protections argument, but that situation does not avail itself here. As long as every man (and every woman) has the exact same opportunity to enter into the legal status of "married" as everybody else does, then there is no discrimination.
"..but I don't WANT that type of marriage..." Is not justification for discrimination.
I may only have $30, but I don't WANT a Yugo, I want a Porche!!! is not an example of a car dealership discriminatiing against you, just one that overcharges for Yugos.
Boats are not cars, but may still be insured; no one says, "you cannot ensure THAT: It is not a car!"
Even if we ignored that, the Equal Protection Clause says, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens private car dealerships are subject to far fewer Equal Protection restrictions than state and federal...." Private dealers and insurers are not states, so the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on them than on government (it SHOULD have none, but that rant is for another thread.
) Robomacare provides a good example: Mandating insurers offer customers equal prices (community pricing,) would be unnecesssary if the Equal Protection Clause had already done so.I have no idea where you got
"..but I don't WANT that type of marriage..." Is not justification for discrimination.
Allowing everyone the same rights you enjoy does not "discriminate against" you any more than forcing taxpayer funded schools to admit blacks discriminated against whites. Saying, "those people have their own schools," let alone, "those people deserve no education, which would somehow diminish mine," is discriminatory.
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This message last edited by Joel on 23/10/2012 at 03:54:01 PM
For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy?
- 20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM
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Legal rights.
- 20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM
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should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM*
- 20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM
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Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM*
- 20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM
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That's a huge chunk of what government does.
- 20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM
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That's not what I'm saying
- 21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM
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So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard!
- 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM
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Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence..
- 20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM
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Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid.
- 20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM
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The more fool you.
- 21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM
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This, and legal recognition of it, is precisely why marriage has become an Equal Protection issue.
- 22/10/2012 03:40:01 PM
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*NM*
Because they are both violations of the paradigm of genuine marriage. Like it or not.
- 21/10/2012 05:49:32 AM
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I have no problem with polygamy being legal, but marriage is a privilege and can be limited to two.
- 20/10/2012 04:16:08 AM
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The only problem with that is that it was established with a heterosexist assumption
- 21/10/2012 06:33:32 AM
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From a legal perspective, all of your arguments are irrelevant
- 21/10/2012 03:12:39 PM
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This really is blatantly obvious, but still it might bear repeating...
- 21/10/2012 04:43:13 PM
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Yes, but only if its equal. Multi-people relationships should be more acceptable by society.
- 20/10/2012 05:15:24 AM
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"Polygamy" is the all-inclusive term; whether or not he meant it, he said it.
- 22/10/2012 04:31:09 PM
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I support autogamy in addition to various forms of exogenic relationships
- 20/10/2012 05:49:07 AM
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Have you seen the Glee episode where Sue Sylvester conducts a marriage of herself to herself? *NM*
- 20/10/2012 09:50:32 AM
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I am fine with it if all existing parties to the marriage consent to each addition.
- 20/10/2012 10:10:19 AM
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The case for polygamy has really weakened rather than strenghtened, you might say.
- 20/10/2012 03:53:34 PM
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I have no problem with it, but as Amy says, it's not really relevant. *NM*
- 20/10/2012 05:40:50 PM
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Legalize polygamy and create a familymaking process, but don't cover polygamy under marriage.
- 20/10/2012 10:14:58 PM
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The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway
- 21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM
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Indeed
- 21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM
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I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business.
- 21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM
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And so?
- 21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM
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Re: And so?
- 21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM
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So can we call it garriage, give the same legal effect and call it good? *NM*
- 22/10/2012 03:28:33 AM
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According to your argument we could afford gay couples the same legal privileges...
- 22/10/2012 03:20:17 AM
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"...separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."
- 22/10/2012 04:45:31 PM
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That may well be the ideal solution. And also the most ironically amusing in how it would fail.
- 22/10/2012 07:35:05 PM
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We already went there and did that in '04, and yes, it was funny as f--k.
- 22/10/2012 09:51:49 PM
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Agreed in principle, but custody/cohabitation/assets go well beyond name change.
- 22/10/2012 04:37:09 PM
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This is the sort of thing that *needs* to be about principle
- 23/10/2012 04:54:10 AM
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Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement.
- 23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM
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Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none.
- 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM
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You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed.
- 23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM
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Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government.
- 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM
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Much less force, yes.
- 23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM
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The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
- 23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM
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Re: The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
- 23/10/2012 07:15:17 PM
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Like you said: By referring to "all invididuals" (or, better, "persons" or "citizens.")
- 24/10/2012 04:14:55 PM
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But we know very well that it doesn't have dire commercial consequences.
- 25/10/2012 07:17:55 PM
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I have several friends who practice polyamory, if they wanted to marry I would support it. *NM*
- 24/10/2012 06:47:58 PM
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