I was using it to illustrate a similularity in concept. BTW you used to not be able to get private boat insurance either until sombody decided to offer it.
Nor could anyone get car insurance—or cars—until someone offered those. At the risk of deteriorating into another Life of Brian reference, the "right to have babies" does not confer the MEANS.
essential argument remains unchanged, A gay man and a strait man have the EXACT SAME access to teh EXACT SAME marriage. "..but it isn't the person I love..." is not a legal factor. You will not find "love" anywhere in the law. "..but it isn't the person I want to marry..." falls into the same bucket.
You will find choice throughout the law; the straight person has, and the homosexual person lacks, the right to marry the consenting adult of their choice. We do not want the state arbitrarily dictating that choice to consenting adults, hence we abolished miscegenation laws.
segregation is not a good analogy because there is only 1 "marraige" not 2, (no white school/black school). Well unless there are any states that have actually created a second set of laws empowering gay marraige, without removing the hetrosexual marraige laws; which would be incredibly stupid because it would open up the whole "seperate but equal" arguments.
A number of states have done that with "civil union" laws, and, yes, it did open the segregation debate we are having. In fact, one of Mitt Romneys infamous flip flops was such a case: He endorsed the MA constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage but allow civil unions—then condemned it on the grounds it "confused voters who opposed both same-sex marriage and civil unions."
"for" was poor word choice, I thought about going back and editing, but thought my point would still get accross; apparently not, so I will rephrase.
"..but I don't WANT that type of marriage..." Is not you being discriminated against. It is you not wanting to participate in what currently exists.
"..but I don't WANT that type of marriage..." Is not you being discriminated against. It is you not wanting to participate in what currently exists.
But they do want to participate, for a variety of reasons, including (but not limited to) the host of legal benefits marriage grants. They simply do not want whom they participate with dictated by others, any more than you or I do. How is it non-discriminatory to dicate in ONE specific case, but no others?
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy?
20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM
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Legal rights.
20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM
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should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM*
20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM
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Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM*
20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM
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That's a huge chunk of what government does.
20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM
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That's not what I'm saying
21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM
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So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard!
21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM
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Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence..
20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM
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Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid.
20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM
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The more fool you.
21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM
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This, and legal recognition of it, is precisely why marriage has become an Equal Protection issue.
22/10/2012 03:40:01 PM
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Because they are both violations of the paradigm of genuine marriage. Like it or not.
21/10/2012 05:49:32 AM
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I have no problem with polygamy being legal, but marriage is a privilege and can be limited to two.
20/10/2012 04:16:08 AM
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The only problem with that is that it was established with a heterosexist assumption
21/10/2012 06:33:32 AM
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From a legal perspective, all of your arguments are irrelevant
21/10/2012 03:12:39 PM
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This really is blatantly obvious, but still it might bear repeating...
21/10/2012 04:43:13 PM
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Yes, but only if its equal. Multi-people relationships should be more acceptable by society.
20/10/2012 05:15:24 AM
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"Polygamy" is the all-inclusive term; whether or not he meant it, he said it.
22/10/2012 04:31:09 PM
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I support autogamy in addition to various forms of exogenic relationships
20/10/2012 05:49:07 AM
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Have you seen the Glee episode where Sue Sylvester conducts a marriage of herself to herself? *NM*
20/10/2012 09:50:32 AM
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I am fine with it if all existing parties to the marriage consent to each addition.
20/10/2012 10:10:19 AM
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The case for polygamy has really weakened rather than strenghtened, you might say.
20/10/2012 03:53:34 PM
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I have no problem with it, but as Amy says, it's not really relevant. *NM*
20/10/2012 05:40:50 PM
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Legalize polygamy and create a familymaking process, but don't cover polygamy under marriage.
20/10/2012 10:14:58 PM
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The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway
21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM
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Indeed
21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM
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I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business.
21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM
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And so?
21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM
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Re: And so?
21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM
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So can we call it garriage, give the same legal effect and call it good? *NM*
22/10/2012 03:28:33 AM
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According to your argument we could afford gay couples the same legal privileges...
22/10/2012 03:20:17 AM
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"...separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."
22/10/2012 04:45:31 PM
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That may well be the ideal solution. And also the most ironically amusing in how it would fail.
22/10/2012 07:35:05 PM
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We already went there and did that in '04, and yes, it was funny as f--k.
22/10/2012 09:51:49 PM
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Agreed in principle, but custody/cohabitation/assets go well beyond name change.
22/10/2012 04:37:09 PM
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This is the sort of thing that *needs* to be about principle
23/10/2012 04:54:10 AM
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Parental, property and other rights need government protection, and thus government involvement.
23/10/2012 05:14:37 AM
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Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none.
22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM
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You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed.
23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM
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Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government.
23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM
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Much less force, yes.
23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM
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The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM
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Re: The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business."
23/10/2012 07:15:17 PM
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Like you said: By referring to "all invididuals" (or, better, "persons" or "citizens.")
24/10/2012 04:14:55 PM
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But we know very well that it doesn't have dire commercial consequences.
25/10/2012 07:17:55 PM
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No the analogy is not exact, nor legally the same...
23/10/2012 07:33:25 PM
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Analogy is not equality, only similarity.
24/10/2012 04:37:29 PM
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I have several friends who practice polyamory, if they wanted to marry I would support it. *NM*
24/10/2012 06:47:58 PM
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