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Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM
Now, there are some parts in there that are he said/she said, and that Geimer might be exaggerating on - though judging on her recent comments, she doesn't seem the type to make things up or exaggerate very much.


Hard to say - it's been 30 odd years. Also, she has a settlement from Polanski which may affect what she's allowed to say (if she starts changing her story or what have you it could be voided). Reading between the lines, she's also offered to stand in for Polanski at the trial and a few other things that are a bit above and beyond the call for someone who is purely a victim. That's an assumption of course, there are plenty of other explanations, but that's kind of the point. We don't know.

The article doesn't say which if any parts of that story Polanski disputes, though surely there must be some if he was offered that plea bargain... the accusations as described there are very serious, I can't imagine he would've gotten off lightly for those. But the part about him having talked to her mother and the two sessions deal seem like they would be very easy to check, and hence rather unlikely to be untrue. Of course talking to her mother doesn't automatically mean he knows her age, but at least he must have known she was a minor, and not just technically.


If the prosecutor had felt that he could have made the case solidly without a plea, he'd have done so. The fact that he let all the 'serious' charges get wafted away for what amounts to a pretty minor thing says that he felt that he was on pretty shaky ground.

As to the bit about her mother and the shoots - who knows if that's even true or not. All of this info comes exclusively from the Geiner side and much of it from the Grand Jury indictment. None of it was tested in court for validity. It might all be pure BS.

Now - if you want my opinion on what I think probably happened, I think everyone was drinking, things started (and there's no way to know who started what but they wound up in a hot tub with no clothes on and no one said anything about anyone forcing that part) and then things went too far. It's quite possible that Samantha got scared and asked him to stop - or that might be the prosecutor counselling her to 'remember' it that way. It's possible that he didn't, maybe being too drunk to even realize himself.

Or it's possible that they did the wild thing entirely consensually, she regretted it later, or maybe her mom did, and she called rape. That's happened lots of times too.

It's possible no one even clearly remembers what happened that night if enough was drunk/consumed.

I DO think that what happened that night was regrettable on the part of both parties and the result of both of them making some bad decisions. That's probably why everyone but the justice system would just like to call it done and get on with their lives.

Of course, that's just my opinion, but things are way too murky for this to have been an open and shut rape case.

May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk.

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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1359 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 415 Views
There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM 550 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM 650 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM 407 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM 514 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:41:56 PM 526 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM 534 Views
There is a word which describes the famous film director - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 448 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 658 Views
Yeah, there is - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 492 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 532 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 470 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 418 Views
Well on the flip side - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 521 Views
Absolutely true enough. - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 577 Views
Agreed - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 522 Views
with you on this. *NM* - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 320 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 521 Views
Problem is that we don't know - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 516 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 569 Views
Yep - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 544 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 542 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 570 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 325 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 305 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 569 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 467 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 354 Views
I've never seen anything to support that - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 377 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 556 Views
Possibly - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 554 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 514 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 522 Views
*shake head* wahtever - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 479 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 580 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 590 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 445 Views
Really? Who says? - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 498 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 409 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 406 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 496 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 289 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 307 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 367 Views
No worries Ave - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 347 Views
Ah. Sorry. - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 492 Views
14-16 - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 357 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 530 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 182 Views
Yes, he could have - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 485 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 513 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 377 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 558 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 532 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 522 Views
You really don't get it do you? - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 328 Views
I don't get it?????? - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 400 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 488 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 525 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 471 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 547 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 544 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 533 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 355 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 271 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 289 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 362 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 528 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 265 Views
I've been following this with some interest - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 378 Views
That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 354 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 358 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 353 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 550 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 264 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 540 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 484 Views
Depends on the circumstances - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 488 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 526 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 448 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 463 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 594 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 568 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 513 Views
Not necessarily true at all - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 460 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 521 Views
You may be right, I don't know. - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 539 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 445 Views
There was never any doubt of that - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 424 Views
See below, - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 460 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 555 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 499 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 578 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 461 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 327 Views
I don't know - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 356 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 563 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 456 Views
Umm - why? - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 505 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 537 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 478 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 445 Views
Me too - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 326 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 540 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 354 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 299 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 295 Views
Yes we do..... - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 508 Views
No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 462 Views
if these "Facts" were false - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 483 Views
That's extremely naive - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 377 Views
i fail to see how this is naive - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 536 Views
The naive part - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 532 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 558 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 505 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 523 Views
Not necessarily wrong - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 497 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 332 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 422 Views
I don't remember which article it was from - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 303 Views
One thing that was clear - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 540 Views
Ah I didn't catch that - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 471 Views
Could you source that? - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 519 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 461 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 156 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 448 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 475 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 147 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 292 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 354 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 381 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 454 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 365 Views
He admitted it. - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 517 Views
You don't get it do you? - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 480 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 478 Views
Hardly - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 444 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 479 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 551 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 468 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 517 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 490 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 317 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 349 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 275 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 308 Views
Sorry Nossy.. - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 466 Views
It was meant to be advice - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 323 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 439 Views
No no.. - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 477 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 337 Views
Heh! - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 343 Views
I second that. *NM* - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 159 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 332 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 435 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 579 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 421 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 390 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 335 Views
no you have back asswards - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 381 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 350 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 380 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 515 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 356 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 473 Views
Of course he knew he age - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 472 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 324 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 347 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 274 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 552 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 335 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 519 Views
~nods~ *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 271 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 446 Views
Way to go for a straw man - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 520 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 572 Views
As to your question, I have no idea - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 566 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 325 Views
Yes - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 365 Views
Re: Yes - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 505 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 549 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 475 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 607 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 337 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 343 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 280 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 273 Views
well - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 486 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 392 Views
Ben Franklin once said - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 539 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 506 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 444 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 356 Views
I've no idea - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 484 Views
Exactly Nossy - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 579 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 270 Views
That's always been how I am though. - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 504 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 435 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 196 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 337 Views
Doubtful. - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 458 Views
How recent is recently? - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 396 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 531 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 345 Views
I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 520 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 487 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 455 Views
Small correction - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 458 Views
Think about that one a bit - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 526 Views
Add to that also - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 537 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 289 Views
Most impressive - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 321 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 298 Views
In my opinion... - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 461 Views
Can I just say... - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 484 Views
The state is also a vicitm - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 475 Views
Hardly, in this case - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 361 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 333 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 538 Views
OK go learn something and then come back - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 512 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 447 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 335 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 325 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 461 Views
And the most important reason for justice... - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 572 Views
Just to be clear - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 545 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 501 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 538 Views
*agree* *NM* - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 163 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 358 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 499 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 495 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 312 Views
Yeah pretty much - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 377 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 613 Views
It was quite a valiant effort - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 371 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 533 Views
Please. - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 523 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 518 Views

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