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Umm - why? SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM
While it does seem a bit biased--I admit--it also gives direct quotes from the man showing he knew her age well before the fact and has shown a pattern.


1) It's extremely biased and pretty sensationalized.
2) It lists no sources for pretty much anything.
3) While it does mention he knew her age - it doesn't say when that quote was from. It might have been after the trial or during it. It's not clear at all that he knew before hand.
4) The Kinski thing - yeah, lots of young actresses looking to sleep their way to the top. Those who are underage usually don't mention it. Duh. It's not much of a pattern although it does show he tends to like younger pretty women. Most guys do.
5) This is the quote that left me laughing:

Detective Philip Vannatter, a tenyear veteran, who 17 years later would go on to be lead investigator in the O.J. Simpson case, asked if Polanski had the slightest idea why he was being arrested. "I honestly don't know," the director replied.

Phil Vannatter - head of the most screwed up police investigation in the public eye that I've ever heard of including tampering with evidence, trying to get witnesses to lie, the entire nine yards. I think that says buckets about how fair the 'investigation' likely was right there.

Sorry Paul, I don't find that one much use at all.
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1322 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 388 Views
There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM 517 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM 616 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM 379 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM 474 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:41:56 PM 484 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM 500 Views
There is a word which describes the famous film director - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 415 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 623 Views
Yeah, there is - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 454 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 493 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 434 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 383 Views
Well on the flip side - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 482 Views
Absolutely true enough. - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 543 Views
Agreed - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 484 Views
with you on this. *NM* - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 306 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 489 Views
Problem is that we don't know - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 480 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 532 Views
Yep - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 507 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 504 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 538 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 309 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 287 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 529 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 437 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 316 Views
I've never seen anything to support that - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 340 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 522 Views
Possibly - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 521 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 480 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 495 Views
*shake head* wahtever - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 442 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 546 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 559 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 408 Views
Really? Who says? - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 465 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 375 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 378 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 454 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 274 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 295 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 335 Views
No worries Ave - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 312 Views
Ah. Sorry. - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 459 Views
14-16 - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 319 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 492 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 169 Views
Yes, he could have - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 452 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 479 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 341 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 516 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 495 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 486 Views
You really don't get it do you? - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 292 Views
I don't get it?????? - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 369 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 453 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 491 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 437 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 510 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 504 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 499 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 318 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 256 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 274 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 325 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 495 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 252 Views
I've been following this with some interest - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 337 Views
That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 321 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 326 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 315 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 507 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 245 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 506 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 451 Views
Depends on the circumstances - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 460 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 493 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 413 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 424 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 562 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 530 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 478 Views
Not necessarily true at all - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 425 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 490 Views
You may be right, I don't know. - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 503 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 409 Views
There was never any doubt of that - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 394 Views
See below, - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 430 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 517 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 465 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 545 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 422 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 300 Views
I don't know - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 325 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 518 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 421 Views
Umm - why? - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 474 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 505 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 436 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 413 Views
Me too - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 288 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 505 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 316 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 287 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 282 Views
Yes we do..... - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 473 Views
No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 430 Views
if these "Facts" were false - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 452 Views
That's extremely naive - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 341 Views
i fail to see how this is naive - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 506 Views
The naive part - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 499 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 523 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 474 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 490 Views
Not necessarily wrong - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 464 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 291 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 388 Views
I don't remember which article it was from - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 269 Views
One thing that was clear - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 502 Views
Ah I didn't catch that - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 438 Views
Could you source that? - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 480 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 423 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 142 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 416 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 439 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 132 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 277 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 322 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 349 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 421 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 330 Views
He admitted it. - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 475 Views
You don't get it do you? - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 443 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 439 Views
Hardly - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 408 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 443 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 520 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 431 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 480 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 452 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 283 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 318 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 261 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 292 Views
Sorry Nossy.. - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 432 Views
It was meant to be advice - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 292 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 408 Views
No no.. - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 446 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 302 Views
Heh! - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 305 Views
I second that. *NM* - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 144 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 297 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 402 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 544 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 379 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 352 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 301 Views
no you have back asswards - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 344 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 315 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 341 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 478 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 325 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 435 Views
Of course he knew he age - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 438 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 288 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 313 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 260 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 517 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 304 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 481 Views
~nods~ *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 254 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 410 Views
Way to go for a straw man - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 488 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 536 Views
As to your question, I have no idea - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 529 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 296 Views
Yes - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 331 Views
Re: Yes - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 469 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 511 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 432 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 574 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 303 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 307 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 267 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 257 Views
well - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 450 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 354 Views
Ben Franklin once said - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 507 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 469 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 408 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 316 Views
I've no idea - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 446 Views
Exactly Nossy - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 549 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 255 Views
That's always been how I am though. - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 473 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 401 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 181 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 296 Views
Doubtful. - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 424 Views
How recent is recently? - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 356 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 487 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 309 Views
I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 479 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 450 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 421 Views
Small correction - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 423 Views
Think about that one a bit - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 487 Views
Add to that also - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 502 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 275 Views
Most impressive - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 283 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 273 Views
In my opinion... - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 428 Views
Can I just say... - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 446 Views
The state is also a vicitm - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 437 Views
Hardly, in this case - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 329 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 297 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 503 Views
OK go learn something and then come back - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 475 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 408 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 304 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 284 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 421 Views
And the most important reason for justice... - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 538 Views
Just to be clear - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 509 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 462 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 502 Views
*agree* *NM* - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 149 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 322 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 464 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 459 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 297 Views
Yeah pretty much - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 337 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 581 Views
It was quite a valiant effort - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 338 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 495 Views
Please. - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 489 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 484 Views

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