Too bad the radical fringe on both sides drowns us both out so well.
Joel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2012 02:25:31 AM
and other easy mechanisms for distributing lethal weapons willy-nilly.
I think that day has just about passed though; again, when the GOPs senior spinmaster and pollster says the NRA is out of touch with the public, that is tantamount to saying the GOP not only cannot win its argument against any new gun control, but will badly maul itself trying. It is becoming a bit like the old Aesops fable about the snake with the file: The more fruitless their attacks the fiercer they become, until they end by wounding themselves.
The thing is, as mass shootings become more frequent, so does most peoples desire to have guns for their own defense and deny them to the criminal and/or deranged. Those desires are complementary rather than contradictory for all but the criminal and/or deranged, and since many of them have already lost their voting rights anyway they have little voice in deciding any regulations. That said, I DO very much wish the absolutist pro/anti-gun minority would stfu, because the alarmism of each derives what little credibility it retains from that of the other. No one would take either fringe seriously if the other ceased validating it.
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Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably
28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM
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Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM*
28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM
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I have this to say about that...
28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM
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That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year
28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM
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Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM*
28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM
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See my response to Novo.
28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM
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please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies.
28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM
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I cited two in response to her, and those were just the ones I remember off the top of my head.
28/12/2012 11:07:36 PM
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If you can't remember them, then don't claim them *NM*
29/12/2012 03:08:08 AM
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Two just from memory is enough to substantiate my claim.
29/12/2012 03:35:49 AM
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'Substantiate your claim'? I don't think you're lying, I just don't feel any reason to be swayed...
29/12/2012 04:00:10 AM
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The 2 things you attempted to "cite" were absolute nonsense and proved nothing.
31/12/2012 06:00:00 PM
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Re: I have this to say about that...
28/12/2012 05:23:44 PM
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Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill
28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM
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Still losing the gun debate and it's driving you a little crazy isn't it!
28/12/2012 06:40:51 PM
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Gallup: 58% want more gun control; Ipsos: 70% want more gun control, 90% want background checks.
28/12/2012 10:29:50 PM
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..and 100% want to win the lottery, but it isn't going to happen.
05/01/2013 02:17:50 PM
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Re: I have this to say about that...Actually, modern military weapons are constructed to wound
29/12/2012 08:43:49 PM
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Yeah, uh, no. Not until you do some serious background checks on teachers.
29/12/2012 01:00:20 AM
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GOP estimates of teacher competence have increased to the point of giving them concealed guns.
29/12/2012 02:36:08 AM
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You know the GOP is unlikely to object to background check on teachers, the unions might
29/12/2012 02:56:06 AM
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his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now"
07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM
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I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true
07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM
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i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle
07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM
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I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral
07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM
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moral has nothing to do with it, imho
07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM
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Data is data my friend. Please feel free to present your own data if you would like. *NM*
28/12/2012 05:49:09 PM
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Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney?
28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM
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Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM*
28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM
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The goddamn frigging election. *NM*
28/12/2012 07:13:04 PM
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Oh, was the NRA running for something? Good grief, was a ridiculous reach. *NM*
28/12/2012 08:07:56 PM
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No, but it shows Gallup polls are horseshit. *NM*
28/12/2012 08:48:12 PM
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No it doesn't, it only shows that Romney was more awful of a candidate than Obama was. *NM*
28/12/2012 09:14:00 PM
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Not according to Gallup, just most US voters; Gallup DOES say 58% of the US wants more gun control.
28/12/2012 10:22:19 PM
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Yes. Most of us aren't against guns per se; we're against the inane concepts of gun "shows"
29/12/2012 01:06:50 AM
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Exactly, crazy libs like Joel want to get rid of all guns, but normal Americans.....
29/12/2012 01:36:00 AM
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Too bad the radical fringe on both sides drowns us both out so well.
29/12/2012 02:25:31 AM
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Previous polling failures by Gallup are evidence for the claim that Gallup polls are flawed.
29/12/2012 01:05:08 AM
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Gallup was Romney +1 with +/- 4% on Election Day.....turned out Obama +3.
29/12/2012 01:33:45 AM
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So what I don't understand about this whole teachers with gun thing
30/12/2012 12:42:05 AM
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It would strictly be voluntary
30/12/2012 03:02:18 AM
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You seriously don't think a linebacker can take a gun off a 5' teacher?He can just punch her.
30/12/2012 09:45:05 AM
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He can already punch her, not all schools are high schools and that's not the norm for spree killers
30/12/2012 03:05:55 PM
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Leveling that playing field is much of the point of guns.
05/01/2013 05:43:47 PM
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You aren't familiar with guns if you think that a large male can't disarm a woman who has one.
07/01/2013 10:14:21 AM
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Well Paul Ali Slater didn't, disarming is risky, and he seems familiar enough with them to me *NM*
07/01/2013 01:25:28 PM
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