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'Substantiate your claim'? I don't think you're lying, I just don't feel any reason to be swayed... Isaac Send a noteboard - 29/12/2012 04:00:10 AM
... by arguments you never presented to me.

I will see if I can slog at least part way through it to find a few more tomorrow if you like; the length and number should make it easy.


If you present a few, I'll review those few, I don't give a fuck about them until then. If your counters are like the two you offered, don't waste your breath, the one didn't even make sense and the other amounted to "yes? And?" because you said 2+2=4 like it was a profound rebuttal, 'guns more dangerous than knives' is probably about the damn most redundant thing ever brought up in gun control, and you said it as though pro and anti alike should go 'Oh, holy shit! Never thought of that before.'

So feel free to present them as you find them, they mean nothing to me until I see them, but if the caliber isn't better I wouldn't bother.
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Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably Anonymous2000 - 28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM 1153 Views
Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM* callandor1000 - 28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM 503 Views
I have this to say about that... DREWRULESWOT! - 28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM 959 Views
That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year Isaac - 28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM 705 Views
Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM* HyogaRott - 28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM 344 Views
See my response to Novo. Joel - 28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM 808 Views
please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies. HyogaRott - 28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM 758 Views
I cited two in response to her, and those were just the ones I remember off the top of my head. Joel - 28/12/2012 11:07:36 PM 898 Views
If you can't remember them, then don't claim them *NM* Isaac - 29/12/2012 03:08:08 AM 402 Views
Two just from memory is enough to substantiate my claim. Joel - 29/12/2012 03:35:49 AM 776 Views
'Substantiate your claim'? I don't think you're lying, I just don't feel any reason to be swayed... Isaac - 29/12/2012 04:00:10 AM 683 Views
... and probably never will, but, alright, here we go: Joel - 05/01/2013 06:53:23 PM 754 Views
Probably, but at least I'll listen Isaac - 05/01/2013 08:30:48 PM 787 Views
The 2 things you attempted to "cite" were absolute nonsense and proved nothing. HyogaRott - 31/12/2012 06:00:00 PM 757 Views
Was that response meant for me or Correia? Joel - 05/01/2013 07:04:31 PM 710 Views
Re: I have this to say about that... Novo - 28/12/2012 05:23:44 PM 898 Views
Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill Joel - 28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM 791 Views
Still losing the gun debate and it's driving you a little crazy isn't it! Anonymous2000 - 28/12/2012 06:40:51 PM 642 Views
Gallup: 58% want more gun control; Ipsos: 70% want more gun control, 90% want background checks. Joel - 28/12/2012 10:29:50 PM 799 Views
..and 100% want to win the lottery, but it isn't going to happen. HyogaRott - 05/01/2013 02:17:50 PM 867 Views
None of that prohibits regulation, only outright bans. Joel - 05/01/2013 05:25:56 PM 830 Views
I totally disagree with that, it is just wrong-headed Isaac - 29/12/2012 03:51:19 AM 917 Views
Re: I have this to say about that...Actually, modern military weapons are constructed to wound Floffe - 29/12/2012 08:43:49 PM 898 Views
Great read, thanks for posting! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 28/12/2012 05:52:29 PM 349 Views
Yeah, uh, no. Not until you do some serious background checks on teachers. Ghavrel - 29/12/2012 01:00:20 AM 833 Views
GOP estimates of teacher competence have increased to the point of giving them concealed guns. Joel - 29/12/2012 02:36:08 AM 911 Views
You know the GOP is unlikely to object to background check on teachers, the unions might Isaac - 29/12/2012 02:56:06 AM 778 Views
Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed it a lot A Deathwatch Guard - 29/12/2012 01:36:33 AM 735 Views
his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now" moondog - 07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM 782 Views
I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true Isaac - 07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM 817 Views
i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle moondog - 07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM 757 Views
I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral Isaac - 07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM 801 Views
moral has nothing to do with it, imho moondog - 07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM 851 Views
Re: moral has nothing to do with it, imho Isaac - 08/01/2013 05:40:46 AM 696 Views
last thoughts..... moondog - 08/01/2013 05:18:35 PM 735 Views
Data is data my friend. Please feel free to present your own data if you would like. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 28/12/2012 05:49:09 PM 374 Views
Well I was referring more to the timing of collecting data. callandor1000 - 29/12/2012 04:28:01 AM 943 Views
Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney? Joel - 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM 876 Views
Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM 361 Views
The goddamn frigging election. *NM* Stephen - 28/12/2012 07:13:04 PM 369 Views
Oh, was the NRA running for something? Good grief, was a ridiculous reach. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 28/12/2012 08:07:56 PM 375 Views
No, but it shows Gallup polls are horseshit. *NM* Stephen - 28/12/2012 08:48:12 PM 362 Views
No it doesn't, it only shows that Romney was more awful of a candidate than Obama was. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 28/12/2012 09:14:00 PM 381 Views
Not according to Gallup, just most US voters; Gallup DOES say 58% of the US wants more gun control. Joel - 28/12/2012 10:22:19 PM 957 Views
Yes. Most of us aren't against guns per se; we're against the inane concepts of gun "shows" Ghavrel - 29/12/2012 01:06:50 AM 690 Views
Exactly, crazy libs like Joel want to get rid of all guns, but normal Americans..... Anonymous2000 - 29/12/2012 01:36:00 AM 729 Views
Link a single post where I said I wanted to get rid of all guns. Joel - 29/12/2012 02:29:53 AM 816 Views
Then what would you suggest? Great Lord of Chaos - 29/12/2012 07:23:27 AM 867 Views
Too bad the radical fringe on both sides drowns us both out so well. Joel - 29/12/2012 02:25:31 AM 846 Views
Previous polling failures by Gallup are evidence for the claim that Gallup polls are flawed. Ghavrel - 29/12/2012 01:05:08 AM 850 Views
Gallup was Romney +1 with +/- 4% on Election Day.....turned out Obama +3. Anonymous2000 - 29/12/2012 01:33:45 AM 685 Views
So what I don't understand about this whole teachers with gun thing Spriteling - 30/12/2012 12:42:05 AM 834 Views
It would strictly be voluntary Isaac - 30/12/2012 03:02:18 AM 799 Views
You seriously don't think a linebacker can take a gun off a 5' teacher?He can just punch her. Ghavrel - 30/12/2012 09:45:05 AM 791 Views
He can already punch her, not all schools are high schools and that's not the norm for spree killers Isaac - 30/12/2012 03:05:55 PM 870 Views
Leveling that playing field is much of the point of guns. Joel - 05/01/2013 05:43:47 PM 829 Views
You aren't familiar with guns if you think that a large male can't disarm a woman who has one. Ghavrel - 07/01/2013 10:14:21 AM 792 Views
Well Paul Ali Slater didn't, disarming is risky, and he seems familiar enough with them to me *NM* Isaac - 07/01/2013 01:25:28 PM 415 Views
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