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Well said. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM

I'll only address one point, because you keep coming back to it, STDs in Africa.

If the people of Africa adhered to the doctrine of the Catholic church then STDs would not BE a problem. The church doctrine says to reserve sex for marriage (specifically procreation). Follow that guideline and you don't need any birth control. Suddenly there is not population explosion problem, much less of a food problem, and virtually no STD issue. All you gotta do is not be an animal following you instincts and urges and keep it in your pants.

Why should they try to promote something that is LESS than 100% effective? It might be tough for a person to do, but it can be done, or is it your position that THOSE people are somehow incapable of making an intelligent choice? Are they subhumans who are unable to control their urges? Do we have to save those poor pathetic savage people from themselves? If so, then aren't you just a guilty of the arrogance and bigotry that you are accusing the Catholic Church of? SHAME on them for demanding people to act responsibly!

Not to mention, in their own best interests! With all the STDs being such a problem, you'd think people would at least be cautious. If they are going bareback and claiming it is out of adherence to Catholic doctrine, they are merely using it as an excuse. No one can be invested enough in Catholicism to be aware of and influenced by the prohibition on condoms, and at the same time be ignorant of the far more explicit and frequently promulgated teachings on promiscuity and extramarital sex.

Cannoli
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So the Pope has resigned Wibble - 11/02/2013 01:01:59 PM 1532 Views

Re: So the Pope has resigned HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 02:29:13 PM 949 Views

As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:05:34 AM 905 Views

Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 12/02/2013 09:21:30 PM 846 Views

One mistake in my original post..... Anonymous2000 - 13/02/2013 01:27:48 AM 832 Views

Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:35:14 AM 804 Views

Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM 881 Views

Luke or Paul? Isaac - 13/02/2013 04:36:27 PM 817 Views

That is what I get for only having decaf coffee this morning... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 05:43:57 PM 879 Views

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:36:03 PM 738 Views

Re: I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. HyogaRott - 14/02/2013 11:12:34 PM 840 Views

Hate to jump you again but are you sure you mean Timothy? Isaac - 14/02/2013 11:54:00 PM 876 Views

Yep, I ment Timothy HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:18:21 AM 839 Views

Re: Yep, I ment Timothy Isaac - 15/02/2013 11:03:16 AM 825 Views

If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM 965 Views

Why wouldn't it still be devinely inspired? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:44:07 PM 871 Views

Um, because then God was lying when He inspired someone to write "this is not Gods commandment." Joel - 13/02/2013 07:42:15 PM 854 Views

You're missing a really key point Jeordam - 13/02/2013 09:13:32 PM 881 Views

You are using an epistle to say every word of all epistles is divinely inspired?

Joel - 13/02/2013 10:00:36 PM 1052 Views

Let us take it full circle: The ecclesiastical authority of women Joel - 13/02/2013 10:21:26 PM 929 Views

Shouldn't you be able to answer this question from what you just wrote? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 11:02:28 PM 932 Views

Oh, certainly; I just felt like I was dragging you with me kicking and screaming.

Joel - 14/02/2013 01:05:14 AM 896 Views

So Roman Catholic priests CAN marry, under tortuous conditions? Interesting.... Joel - 13/02/2013 03:40:48 PM 770 Views

A priest can't marry, but a married person can become a priest. HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:51:02 PM 814 Views

Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. Joel - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM 925 Views

There are a bunch of semi-Catholic denominations that allow priests to marry. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:06:13 PM 840 Views

That makes more sense. Joel - 13/02/2013 06:23:36 PM 881 Views

Here's my chance. I'm putting in my application. Palatine - 11/02/2013 04:20:52 PM 1004 Views

Unfortunately it matters due to the power he has... Wibble - 11/02/2013 04:42:25 PM 938 Views

Religions don't work that way. They are full of moral absolutes. There is no flexibility *NM* Dark Knight - 11/02/2013 06:10:19 PM 454 Views

Of course there is flexibility. The minute their money is threatened they flex like mad... *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 06:25:02 PM 442 Views

I'd imagine Unitarians and several other religions would beg to differ Isaac - 11/02/2013 09:28:39 PM 916 Views

Hah, are you kidding? beetnemesis - 13/02/2013 02:20:54 PM 974 Views

You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?!

Joel - 11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM 999 Views

Well said. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/02/2013 10:55:18 PM 490 Views

You give them too much credit. Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM 983 Views

Put on blinders much? HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 11:50:01 PM 905 Views

I lol'd. *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:54:09 PM 463 Views

Grant me Chastity and Continence, But Not Yet! *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2013 03:35:26 AM 396 Views

Chastity: A Virtue best found in others

*NM* Isaac - 12/02/2013 12:53:26 PM 389 Views

and continence too, apparently..... *NM* moondog - 14/02/2013 12:18:22 AM 456 Views

Well said. Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM 801 Views

You really don't know how human psychology works, do you? Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:28:23 PM 867 Views

..and you don't get that it isn't what people will/may do, but what they should. HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:22:26 AM 1043 Views

It's not religion, it's HIV or no HIV. Legolas - 15/02/2013 10:45:52 PM 819 Views

it's not HIV or no HIV, it is about what people should do. HyogaRott - 16/02/2013 07:02:36 PM 915 Views

Of course they don't have to teach people how to use condoms. Legolas - 17/02/2013 10:46:38 AM 814 Views

You're showing some glaring bias and hostility here Isaac - 12/02/2013 01:58:17 PM 797 Views

No, you are giving them far too little. Joel - 13/02/2013 03:33:03 PM 813 Views

The catholic church is significantly growing in Africa and with Hispanics. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:41:54 AM 513 Views

Oh, that. Palatine - 12/02/2013 03:04:42 PM 760 Views

That's such a load Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:39:45 AM 855 Views

Oops, I meant to reply here - As a catholic.....my take. Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:39:42 AM 930 Views

I'd say the chances are about as good... Dragonsoul - 12/02/2013 03:48:29 PM 1031 Views

So teh chances are excellent then! Good to know. Wibble - 12/02/2013 04:51:43 PM 870 Views

I doubt there's much of a chance of a real progressive. Stephen - 12/02/2013 06:38:14 PM 862 Views

IDK, two straight non-Italians? Will they put up with a 3rd? Has that even happened since Avignon? Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:46:28 AM 913 Views

Who says Benedict/Ratzinger is straight? Roland00 - 13/02/2013 04:56:52 AM 799 Views

Don't think so, but the Italians will have to get used to it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:34:24 PM 796 Views

This will be a very interesting time. Dannymac - 13/02/2013 06:27:41 PM 923 Views

He's retiring into a monastery in the Vatican, as I understand it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:42:14 PM 922 Views

Now this would be interesting.... Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:51:40 PM 887 Views

Right now I would settle for making up lost ground... Dannymac - 14/02/2013 05:02:38 AM 798 Views

Pope Bene-victed... Raserei - 19/02/2013 07:56:17 AM 1081 Views

Hurrah, Ras. I love a good pun or three. *NM* Palatine - 19/02/2013 01:55:11 PM 372 Views

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<quote id="272539">I'll only address one point, because you keep coming back to it, STDs in Africa.

If the people of Africa adhered to the doctrine of the Catholic church then STDs would not BE a problem.  The church doctrine says to reserve sex for marriage (specifically procreation).  Follow that guideline and you don't need any birth control.  Suddenly there is not population explosion problem, much less of a food problem, and virtually no STD issue.  All you gotta do is not be an animal following you instincts and urges and keep it in your pants.

Why should they try to promote something that is LESS than 100% effective?  It might be tough for a person to do, but it can be done, or is it your position that THOSE people are somehow incapable of making an intelligent choice?  Are they subhumans who are unable to control their urges?  Do we have to save those poor pathetic savage people from themselves?  If so, then aren't you just a guilty of the arrogance and bigotry that you are accusing the Catholic Church of?   SHAME on them for demanding people to act responsibly!

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Not to mention, in their own best interests!  With all the STDs being such a problem, you'd think people would at least be cautious.  If they are going bareback and claiming it is out of adherence to Catholic doctrine, they are merely using it as an excuse.  No one can be invested enough in Catholicism to be aware of and influenced by the prohibition on condoms, and at the same time be ignorant of the far more explicit and frequently promulgated teachings on promiscuity and extramarital sex.
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