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Well said. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM
I'll only address one point, because you keep coming back to it, STDs in Africa.

If the people of Africa adhered to the doctrine of the Catholic church then STDs would not BE a problem. The church doctrine says to reserve sex for marriage (specifically procreation). Follow that guideline and you don't need any birth control. Suddenly there is not population explosion problem, much less of a food problem, and virtually no STD issue. All you gotta do is not be an animal following you instincts and urges and keep it in your pants.

Why should they try to promote something that is LESS than 100% effective? It might be tough for a person to do, but it can be done, or is it your position that THOSE people are somehow incapable of making an intelligent choice? Are they subhumans who are unable to control their urges? Do we have to save those poor pathetic savage people from themselves? If so, then aren't you just a guilty of the arrogance and bigotry that you are accusing the Catholic Church of? SHAME on them for demanding people to act responsibly!


Not to mention, in their own best interests! With all the STDs being such a problem, you'd think people would at least be cautious. If they are going bareback and claiming it is out of adherence to Catholic doctrine, they are merely using it as an excuse. No one can be invested enough in Catholicism to be aware of and influenced by the prohibition on condoms, and at the same time be ignorant of the far more explicit and frequently promulgated teachings on promiscuity and extramarital sex.
Cannoli
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So the Pope has resigned Wibble - 11/02/2013 01:01:59 PM 1434 Views
Re: So the Pope has resigned HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 02:29:13 PM 857 Views
As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:05:34 AM 812 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 12/02/2013 09:21:30 PM 755 Views
One mistake in my original post..... Anonymous2000 - 13/02/2013 01:27:48 AM 747 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:35:14 AM 723 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM 804 Views
Luke or Paul? Isaac - 13/02/2013 04:36:27 PM 735 Views
That is what I get for only having decaf coffee this morning... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 05:43:57 PM 802 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:36:03 PM 646 Views
Re: I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. HyogaRott - 14/02/2013 11:12:34 PM 753 Views
Hate to jump you again but are you sure you mean Timothy? Isaac - 14/02/2013 11:54:00 PM 784 Views
Yep, I ment Timothy HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:18:21 AM 752 Views
Re: Yep, I ment Timothy Isaac - 15/02/2013 11:03:16 AM 737 Views
If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM 874 Views
Why wouldn't it still be devinely inspired? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:44:07 PM 784 Views
Um, because then God was lying when He inspired someone to write "this is not Gods commandment." Joel - 13/02/2013 07:42:15 PM 766 Views
You're missing a really key point Jeordam - 13/02/2013 09:13:32 PM 811 Views
You are using an epistle to say every word of all epistles is divinely inspired? Joel - 13/02/2013 10:00:36 PM 938 Views
Let us take it full circle: The ecclesiastical authority of women Joel - 13/02/2013 10:21:26 PM 828 Views
Shouldn't you be able to answer this question from what you just wrote? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 11:02:28 PM 840 Views
Oh, certainly; I just felt like I was dragging you with me kicking and screaming. Joel - 14/02/2013 01:05:14 AM 799 Views
So Roman Catholic priests CAN marry, under tortuous conditions? Interesting.... Joel - 13/02/2013 03:40:48 PM 686 Views
A priest can't marry, but a married person can become a priest. HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:51:02 PM 713 Views
Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. Joel - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM 834 Views
There are a bunch of semi-Catholic denominations that allow priests to marry. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:06:13 PM 730 Views
That makes more sense. Joel - 13/02/2013 06:23:36 PM 800 Views
Here's my chance. I'm putting in my application. Palatine - 11/02/2013 04:20:52 PM 902 Views
Unfortunately it matters due to the power he has... Wibble - 11/02/2013 04:42:25 PM 847 Views
Religions don't work that way. They are full of moral absolutes. There is no flexibility *NM* Dark Knight - 11/02/2013 06:10:19 PM 400 Views
Of course there is flexibility. The minute their money is threatened they flex like mad... *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 06:25:02 PM 396 Views
I'd imagine Unitarians and several other religions would beg to differ Isaac - 11/02/2013 09:28:39 PM 819 Views
Hah, are you kidding? beetnemesis - 13/02/2013 02:20:54 PM 884 Views
You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?! Joel - 11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM 909 Views
Well said. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/02/2013 10:55:18 PM 442 Views
You give them too much credit. Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM 879 Views
Put on blinders much? HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 11:50:01 PM 820 Views
I lol'd. *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:54:09 PM 418 Views
Grant me Chastity and Continence, But Not Yet! *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2013 03:35:26 AM 346 Views
Chastity: A Virtue best found in others *NM* Isaac - 12/02/2013 12:53:26 PM 350 Views
and continence too, apparently..... *NM* moondog - 14/02/2013 12:18:22 AM 413 Views
Well said. Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM 702 Views
You really don't know how human psychology works, do you? Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:28:23 PM 772 Views
..and you don't get that it isn't what people will/may do, but what they should. HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:22:26 AM 959 Views
It's not religion, it's HIV or no HIV. Legolas - 15/02/2013 10:45:52 PM 732 Views
it's not HIV or no HIV, it is about what people should do. HyogaRott - 16/02/2013 07:02:36 PM 810 Views
Of course they don't have to teach people how to use condoms. Legolas - 17/02/2013 10:46:38 AM 729 Views
You're showing some glaring bias and hostility here Isaac - 12/02/2013 01:58:17 PM 712 Views
No, you are giving them far too little. Joel - 13/02/2013 03:33:03 PM 723 Views
The catholic church is significantly growing in Africa and with Hispanics. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:41:54 AM 469 Views
Oh, that. Palatine - 12/02/2013 03:04:42 PM 683 Views
That's such a load Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:39:45 AM 776 Views
Oops, I meant to reply here - As a catholic.....my take. Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:39:42 AM 837 Views
I'd say the chances are about as good... Dragonsoul - 12/02/2013 03:48:29 PM 938 Views
So teh chances are excellent then! Good to know. Wibble - 12/02/2013 04:51:43 PM 771 Views
I doubt there's much of a chance of a real progressive. Stephen - 12/02/2013 06:38:14 PM 746 Views
IDK, two straight non-Italians? Will they put up with a 3rd? Has that even happened since Avignon? Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:46:28 AM 807 Views
Who says Benedict/Ratzinger is straight? Roland00 - 13/02/2013 04:56:52 AM 710 Views
Don't think so, but the Italians will have to get used to it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:34:24 PM 711 Views
This will be a very interesting time. Dannymac - 13/02/2013 06:27:41 PM 839 Views
He's retiring into a monastery in the Vatican, as I understand it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:42:14 PM 831 Views
Now this would be interesting.... Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:51:40 PM 799 Views
Right now I would settle for making up lost ground... Dannymac - 14/02/2013 05:02:38 AM 709 Views
Pope Bene-victed... Raserei - 19/02/2013 07:56:17 AM 989 Views
Hurrah, Ras. I love a good pun or three. *NM* Palatine - 19/02/2013 01:55:11 PM 320 Views
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