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US Senate Democrats - already cave-in on the gun control bill Anonymous2000 Send a noteboard - 19/03/2013 10:44:55 PM

That was pretty quick. Significant new gun control laws are dead, let's all focus on mental health and enforcing existing laws. Cool?

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US Senate Democrats - already cave-in on the gun control bill Anonymous2000 - 19/03/2013 10:44:55 PM 1568 Views
right wingers are always point out there is no point legislating cosmetics moondog - 19/03/2013 11:52:28 PM 958 Views
Late Term Abortion, Terry Schavio? *NM* Roland00 - 19/03/2013 11:57:25 PM 477 Views
You know, what you are hoping for will not make any difference whatsoever..... Anonymous2000 - 20/03/2013 01:07:58 AM 823 Views
"if at first you don't succeed..... fuck it...." moondog - 20/03/2013 04:10:47 AM 819 Views
I can agree with some of what you stated, though I prefer "logical" to "right winger" HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 01:56:34 AM 890 Views
you are correct. i forget sometimes that there **is** some common ground here.... moondog - 20/03/2013 04:19:13 AM 798 Views
There'd be more common ground if anything were ever offered in exchange for concessions Isaac - 20/03/2013 02:20:26 PM 826 Views
Ben Franklin said it best... HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 04:14:45 PM 804 Views
interesting how that quote always applies to so many things, isn't it? moondog - 20/03/2013 05:14:30 PM 806 Views
Absolutely HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 12:20:45 AM 875 Views
Re: Ben Franklin said it best... Isaac - 21/03/2013 07:16:25 AM 910 Views
There can be NO negotiation, that is the point. This is a Constitutionally protected Right. HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:03:54 PM 846 Views
Including Capital Letters in pronouncements do NOT make something so Isaac - 21/03/2013 02:56:43 PM 877 Views
1st Amendment absolutism suggests libel and slander are unconstitutional. moondog - 21/03/2013 07:24:34 PM 832 Views
One person's rights end where another's begin, as you well know. HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 02:38:37 AM 826 Views
all the same, none of the proposed laws truly infringe on your right to keep or use those guns.... moondog - 22/03/2013 07:29:52 PM 885 Views
Apparently you did not read Feinstein's, you know the one that started this whole thread... HyogaRott - 23/03/2013 06:26:57 PM 841 Views
i'm aware of her statements, you'll have to actually prove your point.... moondog - 24/03/2013 03:35:11 AM 744 Views
Her bill tried to eliminate my (and everone's) right to own all but 2,000 specific weapons. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:30:56 PM 828 Views
"A well-regulated militia...." moondog - 25/03/2013 07:27:48 PM 970 Views
and by REGULATED, the authors meant "able to use it effectively" HyogaRott - 26/03/2013 01:23:07 PM 845 Views
we are long past the point where defense against tyranny is feasible moondog - 26/03/2013 07:48:37 PM 839 Views
Feasibility is not the issue, it is the rule of law. HyogaRott - 27/03/2013 03:55:24 PM 881 Views
if there have to be concessions, what do you recommend? moondog - 20/03/2013 05:10:53 PM 942 Views
That would depend, something of equal value Isaac - 20/03/2013 09:13:23 PM 828 Views
when very little is being given up, how do we determine equal value? moondog - 20/03/2013 10:31:59 PM 1083 Views
Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining Isaac - 21/03/2013 10:53:22 AM 835 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining moondog - 21/03/2013 07:16:57 PM 931 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining Isaac - 21/03/2013 08:53:20 PM 979 Views
some answers moondog - 21/03/2013 10:04:45 PM 1214 Views
Re: some answers Isaac - 21/03/2013 11:33:21 PM 999 Views
Re: the NRA moondog - 22/03/2013 07:44:06 PM 820 Views
This is a matter of POV bias Isaac - 22/03/2013 09:04:25 PM 772 Views
we will have to agree to disagree then moondog - 22/03/2013 10:12:02 PM 813 Views
I already knew we disagreed, that's why I suggested bargaining Isaac - 22/03/2013 11:11:04 PM 815 Views
i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) moondog - 23/03/2013 12:13:18 AM 759 Views
Re: i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) Isaac - 23/03/2013 02:04:39 AM 1009 Views
i am not trying to sway, just come to an understanding moondog - 23/03/2013 03:03:14 PM 982 Views
I think you've actually managed to widen our gap Isaac - 23/03/2013 03:53:55 PM 982 Views
yes, because it was a failed attempt to re-boot and start the debate from the beginning..... moondog - 24/03/2013 03:33:05 AM 1172 Views
I've difficulty seeing the point of going back to first principles but I'm willing to try Isaac - 24/03/2013 02:13:29 PM 811 Views
this has been more insightful than our previous tit-for-tat responses, actually moondog - 26/03/2013 07:40:27 PM 808 Views
There's always room for reaosnable dialogue Isaac - 26/03/2013 10:09:58 PM 1069 Views
even so, we are at yet another impasse.... moondog - 26/03/2013 11:37:04 PM 898 Views
Probably, I don't know why that surprises you Isaac - 27/03/2013 02:02:54 AM 774 Views
There are many more laws and regulations on the industry than you seem to be aware of. HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 03:58:19 PM 860 Views
the existing laws and how they are enforced are completely different problems moondog - 20/03/2013 05:32:31 PM 884 Views
I have no problems with actually enforcing existing laws, in fact I want to see that before new 1 *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 12:17:40 AM 443 Views
I can see the argument for limiting magazine capapcity but it would be hard to enforce random thoughts - 20/03/2013 05:11:51 PM 825 Views
as with most laws, some amount of grandfathering will probably be necessary moondog - 20/03/2013 05:34:57 PM 799 Views
It would be a stupid meaningless "feel good" law as changing magazines takes almost no time. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:05:34 PM 431 Views
I can't argue that random thoughts - 21/03/2013 06:14:09 PM 812 Views
canada's magazine restrictions are credited with reducing fatalities in a mass shooting moondog - 21/03/2013 07:22:45 PM 892 Views
what is high capacity? random thoughts - 21/03/2013 11:09:09 PM 778 Views
according to the law, whatever is larger than the legal limit moondog - 21/03/2013 11:31:08 PM 812 Views
There is no gun control, only gun *centralization* Nighthawk - 20/03/2013 05:32:59 PM 843 Views
Regarding guns sold which are used in crimes Jeordam - 20/03/2013 10:41:21 PM 807 Views
Your specified legal requirements already exist. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 02:05:12 AM 424 Views
So what other stipulations would you put into effect? *NM* Jeordam - 21/03/2013 02:42:53 AM 417 Views
none- I'd simply actually punish criminals instead of trying to "reform" them. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:13:29 PM 429 Views
Criminals need to be punished AND reformed for their inevitable release back into society *NM* Nighthawk - 21/03/2013 11:58:20 PM 406 Views
I've always been rather partial to the criminal justice system in Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 02:42:09 AM 888 Views
Yeah you're right. Let's just kill everybody who commits a crime Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 02:46:49 AM 810 Views
*NM* ironclad - 22/03/2013 10:55:36 AM 437 Views
That's not in Starship Troopers Isaac - 22/03/2013 12:51:44 PM 814 Views
Yeah, there was a small number of capital offenses (13 I think), most not specified. HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 05:27:11 PM 800 Views
So what's your solution? Smaller sentences? Or death penalty for everybody? Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 06:33:13 PM 802 Views
I don't have a truly viable one. I just have a bunch of ideas that no one would want to enact. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:49:58 PM 811 Views
14 then, he lists stupidity as one in another book Isaac - 22/03/2013 07:35:13 PM 851 Views
That's why we NEED to reform prisoners Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 10:33:08 PM 762 Views
It is probably an option we should work harder to develop Isaac - 23/03/2013 12:38:33 AM 840 Views
Out of curiosity. Is anyone against background checks at gun shows, and if so, why? *NM* Ghavrel - 21/03/2013 09:38:59 AM 413 Views
Not in principle but somewhat in practice Isaac - 21/03/2013 11:25:25 AM 984 Views
For what its worth.... Jeordam - 21/03/2013 03:13:44 PM 785 Views
Personally, I am worried about criminals with guns. BUT... callandor1000 - 22/03/2013 03:44:47 PM 1109 Views
What you are not factoring into your though process is that most criminals feels the same way. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:56:04 PM 1098 Views
I realize that can be the case. But... callandor1000 - 25/03/2013 03:32:59 PM 1066 Views
Twice I was almost robbed, and my parents were robbed several times. HyogaRott - 26/03/2013 01:35:11 PM 709 Views
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