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right wingers are always point out there is no point legislating cosmetics moondog Send a noteboard - 19/03/2013 11:52:28 PM

there are still bills pending for magazine size, background checks for all sales, and gun trafficking -- all of which are supported by a majority of Americans. i couldn't care less about assault weapon bans as long as we expand background checks. while we're at it, may as well start requiring gun shops to actually keep track of inventory, and prosecute those shops who sell guns to criminals, especially if those guns go on to commit actual crimes.

there is still plenty more to do, so pushing for a ban that is unpopular and doesn't do a whole lot to stop the violence is counter productive.

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US Senate Democrats - already cave-in on the gun control bill - 19/03/2013 10:44:55 PM 1439 Views
right wingers are always point out there is no point legislating cosmetics - 19/03/2013 11:52:28 PM 853 Views
Late Term Abortion, Terry Schavio? *NM* - 19/03/2013 11:57:25 PM 420 Views
You know, what you are hoping for will not make any difference whatsoever..... - 20/03/2013 01:07:58 AM 721 Views
"if at first you don't succeed..... fuck it...." - 20/03/2013 04:10:47 AM 729 Views
I can agree with some of what you stated, though I prefer "logical" to "right winger" - 20/03/2013 01:56:34 AM 773 Views
you are correct. i forget sometimes that there **is** some common ground here.... - 20/03/2013 04:19:13 AM 681 Views
There'd be more common ground if anything were ever offered in exchange for concessions - 20/03/2013 02:20:26 PM 726 Views
Ben Franklin said it best... - 20/03/2013 04:14:45 PM 695 Views
interesting how that quote always applies to so many things, isn't it? - 20/03/2013 05:14:30 PM 689 Views
Absolutely - 21/03/2013 12:20:45 AM 754 Views
if there have to be concessions, what do you recommend? - 20/03/2013 05:10:53 PM 808 Views
That would depend, something of equal value - 20/03/2013 09:13:23 PM 704 Views
when very little is being given up, how do we determine equal value? - 20/03/2013 10:31:59 PM 970 Views
Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining - 21/03/2013 10:53:22 AM 718 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining - 21/03/2013 07:16:57 PM 780 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining - 21/03/2013 08:53:20 PM 861 Views
some answers - 21/03/2013 10:04:45 PM 1093 Views
Re: some answers - 21/03/2013 11:33:21 PM 869 Views
Re: the NRA - 22/03/2013 07:44:06 PM 714 Views
This is a matter of POV bias - 22/03/2013 09:04:25 PM 646 Views
we will have to agree to disagree then - 22/03/2013 10:12:02 PM 708 Views
I already knew we disagreed, that's why I suggested bargaining - 22/03/2013 11:11:04 PM 696 Views
i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) - 23/03/2013 12:13:18 AM 645 Views
Re: i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) - 23/03/2013 02:04:39 AM 907 Views
i am not trying to sway, just come to an understanding - 23/03/2013 03:03:14 PM 865 Views
I think you've actually managed to widen our gap - 23/03/2013 03:53:55 PM 884 Views
yes, because it was a failed attempt to re-boot and start the debate from the beginning..... - 24/03/2013 03:33:05 AM 1067 Views
I've difficulty seeing the point of going back to first principles but I'm willing to try - 24/03/2013 02:13:29 PM 691 Views
this has been more insightful than our previous tit-for-tat responses, actually - 26/03/2013 07:40:27 PM 678 Views
There's always room for reaosnable dialogue - 26/03/2013 10:09:58 PM 955 Views
even so, we are at yet another impasse.... - 26/03/2013 11:37:04 PM 787 Views
Probably, I don't know why that surprises you - 27/03/2013 02:02:54 AM 652 Views
I can see the argument for limiting magazine capapcity but it would be hard to enforce - 20/03/2013 05:11:51 PM 704 Views
It would be a stupid meaningless "feel good" law as changing magazines takes almost no time. *NM* - 21/03/2013 01:05:34 PM 378 Views
I can't argue that - 21/03/2013 06:14:09 PM 716 Views
canada's magazine restrictions are credited with reducing fatalities in a mass shooting - 21/03/2013 07:22:45 PM 784 Views
what is high capacity? - 21/03/2013 11:09:09 PM 675 Views
according to the law, whatever is larger than the legal limit - 21/03/2013 11:31:08 PM 705 Views
There is no gun control, only gun *centralization* - 20/03/2013 05:32:59 PM 737 Views
Regarding guns sold which are used in crimes - 20/03/2013 10:41:21 PM 694 Views
Your specified legal requirements already exist. *NM* - 21/03/2013 02:05:12 AM 371 Views
So what other stipulations would you put into effect? *NM* - 21/03/2013 02:42:53 AM 354 Views
none- I'd simply actually punish criminals instead of trying to "reform" them. *NM* - 21/03/2013 01:13:29 PM 374 Views
Criminals need to be punished AND reformed for their inevitable release back into society *NM* - 21/03/2013 11:58:20 PM 347 Views
I've always been rather partial to the criminal justice system in Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel - 22/03/2013 02:42:09 AM 788 Views
Yeah you're right. Let's just kill everybody who commits a crime - 22/03/2013 02:46:49 AM 720 Views
*NM* - 22/03/2013 10:55:36 AM 377 Views
That's not in Starship Troopers - 22/03/2013 12:51:44 PM 721 Views
Yeah, there was a small number of capital offenses (13 I think), most not specified. - 22/03/2013 05:27:11 PM 692 Views
14 then, he lists stupidity as one in another book - 22/03/2013 07:35:13 PM 729 Views
That's why we NEED to reform prisoners - 22/03/2013 10:33:08 PM 672 Views
It is probably an option we should work harder to develop - 23/03/2013 12:38:33 AM 722 Views
Out of curiosity. Is anyone against background checks at gun shows, and if so, why? *NM* - 21/03/2013 09:38:59 AM 360 Views
Not in principle but somewhat in practice - 21/03/2013 11:25:25 AM 858 Views
For what its worth.... - 21/03/2013 03:13:44 PM 683 Views
Personally, I am worried about criminals with guns. BUT... - 22/03/2013 03:44:47 PM 994 Views
What you are not factoring into your though process is that most criminals feels the same way. - 24/03/2013 12:56:04 PM 990 Views
I realize that can be the case. But... - 25/03/2013 03:32:59 PM 960 Views
Twice I was almost robbed, and my parents were robbed several times. - 26/03/2013 01:35:11 PM 606 Views

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