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"if at first you don't succeed..... fuck it...." moondog Send a noteboard - 20/03/2013 04:10:47 AM

i'm not sure how you can say busting rogue gun shops for continually selling guns to criminals will not solve anything, but i'm sure it must make sense to someone out there....

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US Senate Democrats - already cave-in on the gun control bill Anonymous2000 - 19/03/2013 10:44:55 PM 1451 Views
right wingers are always point out there is no point legislating cosmetics moondog - 19/03/2013 11:52:28 PM 865 Views
Late Term Abortion, Terry Schavio? *NM* Roland00 - 19/03/2013 11:57:25 PM 425 Views
You know, what you are hoping for will not make any difference whatsoever..... Anonymous2000 - 20/03/2013 01:07:58 AM 734 Views
"if at first you don't succeed..... fuck it...." moondog - 20/03/2013 04:10:47 AM 744 Views
I can agree with some of what you stated, though I prefer "logical" to "right winger" HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 01:56:34 AM 786 Views
you are correct. i forget sometimes that there **is** some common ground here.... moondog - 20/03/2013 04:19:13 AM 703 Views
There'd be more common ground if anything were ever offered in exchange for concessions Isaac - 20/03/2013 02:20:26 PM 742 Views
Ben Franklin said it best... HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 04:14:45 PM 710 Views
interesting how that quote always applies to so many things, isn't it? moondog - 20/03/2013 05:14:30 PM 705 Views
Absolutely HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 12:20:45 AM 770 Views
Re: Ben Franklin said it best... Isaac - 21/03/2013 07:16:25 AM 815 Views
There can be NO negotiation, that is the point. This is a Constitutionally protected Right. HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:03:54 PM 752 Views
Including Capital Letters in pronouncements do NOT make something so Isaac - 21/03/2013 02:56:43 PM 788 Views
1st Amendment absolutism suggests libel and slander are unconstitutional. moondog - 21/03/2013 07:24:34 PM 739 Views
One person's rights end where another's begin, as you well know. HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 02:38:37 AM 728 Views
all the same, none of the proposed laws truly infringe on your right to keep or use those guns.... moondog - 22/03/2013 07:29:52 PM 776 Views
Apparently you did not read Feinstein's, you know the one that started this whole thread... HyogaRott - 23/03/2013 06:26:57 PM 750 Views
i'm aware of her statements, you'll have to actually prove your point.... moondog - 24/03/2013 03:35:11 AM 655 Views
Her bill tried to eliminate my (and everone's) right to own all but 2,000 specific weapons. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:30:56 PM 736 Views
"A well-regulated militia...." moondog - 25/03/2013 07:27:48 PM 873 Views
and by REGULATED, the authors meant "able to use it effectively" HyogaRott - 26/03/2013 01:23:07 PM 753 Views
we are long past the point where defense against tyranny is feasible moondog - 26/03/2013 07:48:37 PM 745 Views
Feasibility is not the issue, it is the rule of law. HyogaRott - 27/03/2013 03:55:24 PM 800 Views
if there have to be concessions, what do you recommend? moondog - 20/03/2013 05:10:53 PM 825 Views
That would depend, something of equal value Isaac - 20/03/2013 09:13:23 PM 719 Views
when very little is being given up, how do we determine equal value? moondog - 20/03/2013 10:31:59 PM 987 Views
Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining Isaac - 21/03/2013 10:53:22 AM 733 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining moondog - 21/03/2013 07:16:57 PM 801 Views
Re: Outside of legislature people do it all the time, its called negotiation and bargaining Isaac - 21/03/2013 08:53:20 PM 888 Views
some answers moondog - 21/03/2013 10:04:45 PM 1111 Views
Re: some answers Isaac - 21/03/2013 11:33:21 PM 892 Views
Re: the NRA moondog - 22/03/2013 07:44:06 PM 736 Views
This is a matter of POV bias Isaac - 22/03/2013 09:04:25 PM 664 Views
we will have to agree to disagree then moondog - 22/03/2013 10:12:02 PM 720 Views
I already knew we disagreed, that's why I suggested bargaining Isaac - 22/03/2013 11:11:04 PM 722 Views
i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) moondog - 23/03/2013 12:13:18 AM 659 Views
Re: i am merely taking the NRA at their word(s) Isaac - 23/03/2013 02:04:39 AM 920 Views
i am not trying to sway, just come to an understanding moondog - 23/03/2013 03:03:14 PM 877 Views
I think you've actually managed to widen our gap Isaac - 23/03/2013 03:53:55 PM 902 Views
yes, because it was a failed attempt to re-boot and start the debate from the beginning..... moondog - 24/03/2013 03:33:05 AM 1081 Views
I've difficulty seeing the point of going back to first principles but I'm willing to try Isaac - 24/03/2013 02:13:29 PM 718 Views
this has been more insightful than our previous tit-for-tat responses, actually moondog - 26/03/2013 07:40:27 PM 703 Views
There's always room for reaosnable dialogue Isaac - 26/03/2013 10:09:58 PM 972 Views
even so, we are at yet another impasse.... moondog - 26/03/2013 11:37:04 PM 804 Views
Probably, I don't know why that surprises you Isaac - 27/03/2013 02:02:54 AM 669 Views
There are many more laws and regulations on the industry than you seem to be aware of. HyogaRott - 20/03/2013 03:58:19 PM 766 Views
the existing laws and how they are enforced are completely different problems moondog - 20/03/2013 05:32:31 PM 788 Views
I have no problems with actually enforcing existing laws, in fact I want to see that before new 1 *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 12:17:40 AM 391 Views
I can see the argument for limiting magazine capapcity but it would be hard to enforce random thoughts - 20/03/2013 05:11:51 PM 726 Views
as with most laws, some amount of grandfathering will probably be necessary moondog - 20/03/2013 05:34:57 PM 695 Views
It would be a stupid meaningless "feel good" law as changing magazines takes almost no time. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:05:34 PM 385 Views
I can't argue that random thoughts - 21/03/2013 06:14:09 PM 728 Views
canada's magazine restrictions are credited with reducing fatalities in a mass shooting moondog - 21/03/2013 07:22:45 PM 799 Views
what is high capacity? random thoughts - 21/03/2013 11:09:09 PM 692 Views
according to the law, whatever is larger than the legal limit moondog - 21/03/2013 11:31:08 PM 719 Views
There is no gun control, only gun *centralization* Nighthawk - 20/03/2013 05:32:59 PM 749 Views
Regarding guns sold which are used in crimes Jeordam - 20/03/2013 10:41:21 PM 713 Views
Your specified legal requirements already exist. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 02:05:12 AM 377 Views
So what other stipulations would you put into effect? *NM* Jeordam - 21/03/2013 02:42:53 AM 359 Views
none- I'd simply actually punish criminals instead of trying to "reform" them. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/03/2013 01:13:29 PM 379 Views
Criminals need to be punished AND reformed for their inevitable release back into society *NM* Nighthawk - 21/03/2013 11:58:20 PM 352 Views
I've always been rather partial to the criminal justice system in Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 02:42:09 AM 801 Views
Yeah you're right. Let's just kill everybody who commits a crime Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 02:46:49 AM 735 Views
*NM* ironclad - 22/03/2013 10:55:36 AM 382 Views
That's not in Starship Troopers Isaac - 22/03/2013 12:51:44 PM 733 Views
Yeah, there was a small number of capital offenses (13 I think), most not specified. HyogaRott - 22/03/2013 05:27:11 PM 706 Views
So what's your solution? Smaller sentences? Or death penalty for everybody? Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 06:33:13 PM 716 Views
I don't have a truly viable one. I just have a bunch of ideas that no one would want to enact. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:49:58 PM 717 Views
14 then, he lists stupidity as one in another book Isaac - 22/03/2013 07:35:13 PM 746 Views
That's why we NEED to reform prisoners Nighthawk - 22/03/2013 10:33:08 PM 686 Views
It is probably an option we should work harder to develop Isaac - 23/03/2013 12:38:33 AM 737 Views
Out of curiosity. Is anyone against background checks at gun shows, and if so, why? *NM* Ghavrel - 21/03/2013 09:38:59 AM 366 Views
Not in principle but somewhat in practice Isaac - 21/03/2013 11:25:25 AM 884 Views
For what its worth.... Jeordam - 21/03/2013 03:13:44 PM 697 Views
Personally, I am worried about criminals with guns. BUT... callandor1000 - 22/03/2013 03:44:47 PM 1014 Views
What you are not factoring into your though process is that most criminals feels the same way. HyogaRott - 24/03/2013 12:56:04 PM 1003 Views
I realize that can be the case. But... callandor1000 - 25/03/2013 03:32:59 PM 985 Views
Twice I was almost robbed, and my parents were robbed several times. HyogaRott - 26/03/2013 01:35:11 PM 619 Views
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