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you won't accept evidence because you're ok with proliferation of guns to criminals moondog Send a noteboard - 22/04/2013 07:31:32 PM

but if you really want the logic stream, here it is:

  • we have a background check system (NICS) which covers guns bought at federally licensed dealers
  • federally licensed dealers only sell about 60% of the guns in circulation
  • with 40% of guns sold in untraceable transactions, criminals buy the majority of their weapons from private sales.
  • since a background check on all sales would catch whether or not a criminal is buying a gun, we should extend the current system to cover all gun sales.

but if your policy says that it's better to arm criminals rather than risk having to fill out paperwork i suppose you won't be able to follow why logic dictates that there should be no exception to background checks on all guns sold.

as for evidence, here is the closest thing i can come up with which you won't dismiss out of hand for being from a "liberal" group. i'm assuming you have nothing against johns hopkins university: http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/publications/WhitePaper102512_CGPR.pdf

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Obama embarrassed - Senate Gun Control Bill Fails..... Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 03:51:37 AM 1112 Views
More importantly, they failed becasue it was just knee-jerk "must do something publicly" BS. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 01:55:43 PM 659 Views
there is no law anywhere which can undo the past moondog - 18/04/2013 03:12:14 PM 640 Views
Let me rephrase... None of them could have prevented a FUTURE attack. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 04:37:43 PM 1177 Views
nothing can prevent future attacks. the goal is to stop criminals getting guns and reduce fatalities moondog - 18/04/2013 06:07:32 PM 578 Views
lol. I can't believe you made thatargument A Deathwatch Guard - 18/04/2013 08:46:45 PM 742 Views
EXACTLY, which is why all this legistation was garbage HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 08:47:35 PM 721 Views
that's right. because our right to be blown away trumps life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness moondog - 18/04/2013 09:06:32 PM 701 Views
Turn off your partisin blinders and listen to logic for once. HyogaRott - 19/04/2013 12:41:12 AM 660 Views
logic dictates that *ALL* gun sales be decided by background check moondog - 19/04/2013 10:27:50 PM 551 Views
Okay, if you say 'logic dictates' like that, you'd better present the actual logic stream Isaac - 20/04/2013 02:52:07 AM 650 Views
you won't accept evidence because you're ok with proliferation of guns to criminals moondog - 22/04/2013 07:31:32 PM 835 Views
More ranting and hyperbole Isaac - 22/04/2013 09:15:12 PM 693 Views
+1 - This is "feel good" legislation that accomplishes nothing..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 06:06:07 PM 347 Views
yep. republican obstructionism and cowardice knows no bounds.... moondog - 18/04/2013 03:07:46 PM 648 Views
ironclad - 18/04/2013 03:15:15 PM 710 Views
You're being rather partisan here. And wrong to denigrate Republicans. The Shrike - 18/04/2013 03:55:34 PM 713 Views
sorry, who is the minority party again? it's not the democrats moondog - 18/04/2013 06:19:43 PM 697 Views
moondog is funny when his side is losing..... Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 06:55:07 PM 607 Views
On legislation that seeks to restrict/reimagine/redefine The Shrike - 18/04/2013 07:30:47 PM 752 Views
this was about regulation, it was not a new amendment. moondog - 18/04/2013 08:41:12 PM 816 Views
perhaps you should discover a dictionary. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 09:01:36 PM 663 Views
PPP, ABC, CNN, Rasmussen and Gallup are all similarly biased on background checks? sure.... *NM* moondog - 18/04/2013 09:16:28 PM 291 Views
WHAT!?!?!! you mean to tell me that news organizations are biased??? Nah! it can't be... HyogaRott - 19/04/2013 12:49:15 AM 588 Views
+1 - if you want to redesigned the 2nd amendment, do it via the constitutional amendment..... Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 09:09:35 PM 578 Views
a womans RIGHT to choose, but you don't have any problems with restrictions there moondog - 18/04/2013 09:21:14 PM 615 Views
The state has a law that requires Drs that perfom abortions have admitting priledges to a hospital. HyogaRott - 19/04/2013 12:47:41 AM 665 Views
they also tried to pass zoning laws which would have meant a complete remodel of the building moondog - 19/04/2013 10:35:03 PM 657 Views
Tried to pass infers that the said laws did not, thus are meningless. HyogaRott - 20/04/2013 05:11:59 AM 598 Views
I'm Pro-Choice dumbass..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 19/04/2013 05:01:17 AM 279 Views
Well surprise, surprise, surprise, those amendments WERE debated, that's how they came up for a vote HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 08:53:40 PM 600 Views
and it's still the republican obstructionism which doomed them to failure moondog - 18/04/2013 09:07:51 PM 703 Views
I LOVE obstructionism when it stops stupid ideas. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 18/04/2013 09:10:54 PM 277 Views
well, you *are* the authority on stupid ideas, i'll give you that much! *NM* moondog - 19/04/2013 11:01:31 PM 280 Views
I'd forgotten, Democrats never filibuster Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:33:41 PM 656 Views
right, i forget republicans don't abuse the rules they are only preventing the gov't from working moondog - 18/04/2013 09:39:11 PM 589 Views
It bugs the hell out of me how you don't see that comment as being Dem/Rep interchangeable Isaac - 18/04/2013 11:38:26 PM 577 Views
That's because he is a partisan hack.....nothing more, nothing less. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 19/04/2013 05:02:36 AM 304 Views
before 2010, it only took 51 votes to pass the senate moondog - 19/04/2013 10:36:55 PM 585 Views
The higher usage of late is mostly Reid's fault Isaac - 20/04/2013 02:17:46 AM 933 Views
So does your ignorance on how your government process functions. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 04:46:53 PM 582 Views
don't play dumb, you are better than that moondog - 18/04/2013 06:24:22 PM 596 Views
Nope, nope, nope and nope. A+ job on ignorantly parroting popular political talking poinits though HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 08:50:35 PM 655 Views
prove me wrong then, don't just post nothing *NM* moondog - 18/04/2013 09:08:35 PM 578 Views
Very Enlightened of you, "Agree with me or you're an Obstrucionist and Coward" *NM* Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:31:06 PM 323 Views
i am only acting on your advice to "call a spade a spade" moondog - 18/04/2013 09:42:22 PM 590 Views
No, you're venting anger by demeaning the opposition on grounds that your own side uses too Isaac - 18/04/2013 10:30:24 PM 736 Views
venting? yes. my "side"? i don't think you understand where i'm coming from moondog - 19/04/2013 10:56:28 PM 660 Views
If you don't want to be seen as partisan, don't attack republicans specifically and repeatedly Isaac - 20/04/2013 06:41:57 AM 698 Views
if you don't want republicans attacked, you should convince them to stop taking insane positions moondog - 22/04/2013 07:09:32 PM 689 Views
They're insane to you because they're from the GOP, you'd call it insane if we said water was wet Isaac - 22/04/2013 08:15:00 PM 1102 Views
"an important" is not at all the same thing as "the most important." Aemon - 18/04/2013 04:10:47 PM 845 Views
I agree, BS polling like this (by either side) annoys me. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 04:56:44 PM 547 Views
actually..... moondog - 18/04/2013 06:25:31 PM 702 Views
99.9 going once... 99.9 going twice... SOLD to the beady eyed farrot faced guy in the back row. HyogaRott - 18/04/2013 09:04:06 PM 639 Views
Statistics lie 0% of the time, people lie or see what they want to see 99% of the time *NM* Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:23:17 PM 304 Views
I don't know about that. Legolas - 18/04/2013 09:55:36 PM 596 Views
I think the difference is more than semantic in this case Isaac - 19/04/2013 12:11:04 AM 671 Views
It is a silly poll Isaac - 18/04/2013 09:21:25 PM 706 Views
I don't mind the poll, just the interpretation. Aemon - 18/04/2013 10:27:37 PM 760 Views
That's sort of the point, you don't poll about the other critters with the 900 pound gorilla around Isaac - 18/04/2013 11:46:00 PM 633 Views
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