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That is a very good point, too, one that had never occurred to me. Joel Send a noteboard - 13/08/2013 06:57:34 PM

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This is actually fairly coherent and similar to what I believe.

I'd like to add that, on the subject of fetuses/persons/not-persons, we kill all the time, for our own benefit, creatures of much higher mental and emotional capacities than a fetus. So, on the one hand, if you can condone killing a cow you can probably also condone killing a fetus, and on the other, it seems puzzling that pro-life and vegetarianism don't ever align.

Regardless of how one feels about each issue separately, it is another case where advocating one without the other is contradictory, or at least inconsistent. The standard response, of course, is that pro-lifers are only concerned with HUMAN life, but, ultimately, that attitude is somewhat arbitrary, even cavalier. If we accept or even demand various exceptions to a standard whenever convenient it is not much of a standard.

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I don't understand many things about Conservatives but one thing baffles me more than most. callandor1000 - 12/08/2013 05:39:06 AM 2094 Views

You are missing something. Dannymac - 12/08/2013 06:01:27 AM 1418 Views

Because guns would never be misused if we all had one. Joel - 12/08/2013 06:02:25 AM 1358 Views

I think you're confusing "pro life" with "anti killing." Aemon - 12/08/2013 07:34:14 AM 1768 Views

*dingdingding*. We have a winner!

in addition... Avendesora - 12/08/2013 12:11:06 PM 1457 Views

Eseentially my position HyogaRott - 12/08/2013 12:26:19 PM 1388 Views

So abortion is OK to save a pregnant womans life then? Joel - 13/08/2013 03:35:58 AM 1683 Views

It sounds like you have a very specific view of what each position constitutes. Aemon - 13/08/2013 05:20:29 AM 1717 Views

Just going by party platforms, candidate/officeholder statements and proposed/enacted law. Joel - 13/08/2013 07:58:49 AM 1419 Views

Re: It sounds like you have a very specific view of what each position constitutes. Cannoli - 14/08/2013 01:17:09 PM 1443 Views

For what it is worth, you and I are not so far apart on abortion. Joel - 14/08/2013 03:22:07 PM 1709 Views

Re: So abortion is OK to save a pregnant womans life then? Cannoli - 14/08/2013 12:50:07 PM 1331 Views

"Love your brother as you love yourself" is about self-improvement? Joel - 14/08/2013 02:02:22 PM 1658 Views

I know right? ironclad - 12/08/2013 08:16:32 AM 1514 Views

Conversely, how can liberals be pro-abortion but anti-death penalty? Avendesora - 12/08/2013 12:28:24 PM 1546 Views

In my case, because of the areas certainty exists and those where it is impossible. Joel - 13/08/2013 04:14:15 AM 1537 Views

Well. You know where you stand. *NM* Avendesora - 13/08/2013 01:50:02 PM 748 Views

At any given moment, at least. Joel - 13/08/2013 07:01:44 PM 1365 Views

Re: In my case, because of the areas certainty exists and those where it is impossible. Novo - 13/08/2013 02:01:51 PM 1477 Views

That is a very good point, too, one that had never occurred to me. Joel - 13/08/2013 06:57:34 PM 1513 Views

I'm baffled you find it bizarre honestly Isaac - 12/08/2013 04:14:01 PM 1383 Views

So abortion is OK to save a pregnant womans life? Prevent her maiming? A childs lifelong torment? Joel - 13/08/2013 05:00:06 AM 1416 Views

Joel, I'm going to strongly suggest you don't try to discuss anything political with me Isaac - 13/08/2013 06:31:02 AM 1372 Views

"...all of this operates on a principle that says that you do not take life without a good cause..." Joel - 13/08/2013 08:10:28 AM 1519 Views

You are still missing the point, but at least you're trying Isaac - 13/08/2013 06:48:34 PM 1469 Views

Abortion is "not germane" to asking how one can reconcile opposing abortion while supporting guns? Joel - 14/08/2013 12:48:21 AM 1402 Views

Discussing Supreme Court rulings on abortion in detail is not *NM* Isaac - 14/08/2013 05:08:06 AM 711 Views

Not in detail, just in both citing "good cause," yet interpreting it VERY differently. Joel - 14/08/2013 05:43:50 AM 1343 Views

This is mostly a US Christian Conservative obsession...not conservatism in general. *NM* Wibble - 12/08/2013 04:39:15 PM 694 Views

Keep me, O Lord, from the hands of the wicked, preserve me from the violent man Tom - 13/08/2013 03:20:24 PM 1439 Views

My biggest problem with that from a religious perspective is preempting the chance to repent. Joel - 14/08/2013 01:39:57 AM 1545 Views

*NM* everynametaken - 19/08/2013 04:12:14 PM 654 Views

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<quote id="279030">This is actually fairly coherent and similar to what I believe.</quote>

<quote id="279030">I'd like to add that, on the subject of fetuses/persons/not-persons, we kill all the time, for our own benefit, creatures of much higher mental and emotional capacities than a fetus. So, on the one hand, if you can condone killing a cow you can probably also condone killing a fetus, and on the other, it seems puzzling that pro-life and vegetarianism don't ever align.</quote>

<quote id="279030">Regardless of how one feels about each issue separately, it is another case where advocating one without the other is contradictory, or at least inconsistent.  The standard response, of course, is that pro-lifers are only concerned with HUMAN life, but, ultimately, that attitude is somewhat arbitrary, even cavalier.  If we accept or even demand various exceptions to a standard whenever convenient it is not much of a standard.</quote>

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