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Except, as you noted, Virginias accent is closer to Englands (and New Englands, and South Africas) Joel Send a noteboard - 28/07/2015 11:00:46 PM

The Kennedy accent is to close Virginia and Maines each is easily mistaken for the others by everyone but native speakers. Accents from Virginia through Maine and parts of Canada all the way to the UK and South Africa are at least as close to each other as Southern ones are to each other (particularly, once again, the Virginia Piedmont accent that IS Southern, yet still sounds more like the others than it does ANY Southern accent.) Regional accents usually share a close relationship reflected in their sound, but speaking of the "Southern" accent as if it does not have several distinct forms is like speaking of the "English accent" as if there are not West Country, Welsh, Cockney and other varieties (which, to my ear, sound so much alike the differences are LITERALLY accents rather than phonemes, though the Scottish and, to a lesser extent, Irish accents are more distinct.)

It is not as simple as saying, "The most common English accent is that of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia and Virginia," because those are (at least) FOUR DISTINCT accents. To the extent such statements are valid it is in the sense of accent subgroups, which also include the Midwestern-Canadian-Pacific Northwest accents, "South by Southwest" accents and Virginia-New England-UK-South African accents. Further, there is overlap at the edges, especially in the US; the West Texas accent is closely related to the East Texas one, but hardly Southern; the Great Plains has elements of both its Southwestern and Midwestern neighbors; the Piedmont accent bridges the gap between the Southern and New England groups.

The GROUP spanning three continents likely remains the most commonly spoken, and not just because the North has long outnumbered the South >2:1. That is A reason; the Southern group may (or may not) cover more LAND, but one need only look at an Electoral College map to see how little area corresponds to PEOPLE. Again, had the North not outnumbered the South >2:1 it probably would not have won the Civil War, but it did, so it did. Yet, (geographically and otherwise) beyond that there is a reason the aptly named Middle Atlantic accent was so heavily promoted on both sides of the Pond, leaving most Americans unsure whether folks like Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn were Virginia aristocrats, Maine shipwrights, British lawyers or South African plantation owners: Broadcasters and feature film personalities needed an accent that felt natural to the bulk of the English-speaking world.

Their choice of necessity was no more Southern than anything else, and decidedly less so than it was British. The sun never set on the British Empire; it never shone >18 hours on the South.

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Y'all, you guys, yous guys, or hey you all? - 25/07/2015 05:38:44 PM 967 Views
Y'all may be the American South's greatest gift to the English language. - 27/07/2015 12:14:47 AM 600 Views
*whistles innocently* - 27/07/2015 04:17:43 AM 735 Views
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It is also correct if you are Sloth... on a pirate ship... *NM* - 29/07/2015 07:09:56 PM 507 Views
I will defer to you and Jeordam on that one - 29/07/2015 07:45:31 PM 650 Views
well since language is a democracy and the souther dialetic is the largest Y'all wins - 27/07/2015 02:07:22 PM 727 Views
The Southern dialect is the largest by what metric? - 27/07/2015 06:26:20 PM 709 Views
It also the accent most similar to what Victorian brits would have spoken - 27/07/2015 07:45:09 PM 644 Views
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I don't make the catagories but all the southern accents tend to be close *NM* - 28/07/2015 02:12:15 PM 466 Views
Except, as you noted, Virginias accent is closer to Englands (and New Englands, and South Africas) - 28/07/2015 11:00:46 PM 685 Views
that is not what I said - 29/07/2015 02:14:49 PM 702 Views
Sorry, I credited you w/knowing the Deep South, Appalachia and TX sound nothing like any UK accents - 29/07/2015 07:42:21 PM 645 Views
read slower and then read again until you understand what I said - 29/07/2015 08:14:19 PM 916 Views
"The people in the American South were Victorian Brits"?! I must have read that too fast - 29/07/2015 10:39:08 PM 651 Views
Erm. Not really sure what you're saying here... - 29/07/2015 11:35:26 PM 616 Views
Would "UK English" have been better? - 30/07/2015 10:47:53 PM 649 Views
Not really. - 31/07/2015 07:30:41 AM 610 Views
David Crystal estimates proficient non-natives outnumber native English speakers 3:1 - 10/08/2015 02:45:58 AM 596 Views
Interesting stuff. - 10/08/2015 07:12:26 PM 693 Views
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The distinction between the first two is negligible - 29/07/2015 07:52:50 PM 647 Views

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